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  Do You Think That Belonging To Certain Political Parties Suggests You Are Uneducated or Poor?

  by minimus in

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  i hear some people say that if you are a republican or democrat that you must not be very educated, intelligent or monetarily stable.

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  do you think it’s proper to paint any person as less than favorable because of their political opinions?

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  We can’t judge intelligence by political party. But one thing we know for sure - All big “L” Libertarians have three nipples.
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  New Massachusetts Bill ProposesTo Fine or Jail Someone For Calling Someone a Bitch!

  by minimus in

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  and if you call someone a bitch , you would be fined 150 dollars the first offense and second is 200 plus possible jail time..

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  What about certain cultural dialects that use “bitch” in a positive way?
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

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  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  @scholar: Uhhhh. Based on your last response to me, you are either on of two things: 1) a troll, or 2) someone that has the same affliction, when flustered, as the sheriff of rottingham. Ref: https://youtu.be/CKhGiFOMsS0

  But, for the lurkers and honest researchers that may stumble across this thread, on with the show:
  

  No it is not a simple verse to translate for the Hebrew allows for different translations of this verse.

  Actually, yes it is. Go to biblegateway.com, look up the verse, and then display all the versions and translations they have of that verse on one page. Read down the list. I guess you could make the argument everyone got it wrong... even the NWT committee...
  

  The nations would be in servitude but we do not know what specific histories apply to these nations but only with Judah is its servitude to Babylon defined.

  If you are a lurker, you may be wondering: “Is it just me, or was that last sentence a bunch of word salad?” It’s not you - it’s word salad. Hence my appeal to Sheriff of Rottingham syndrome.
  

  If I had to guess what he is meaning to say, it would be: “Yes, ‘these nations’ would be in servitude, but the seventy years applies to Judah because... reasons.”
  

  Babylon's account to judgement could only begin after the seventy years had been fulfilled which rules out 539 BCE ...

  No, it doesn’t. The seventy years ends, then Babylon is held to account. Babylon is held to account in 539, therefore the seventy years ended sometime before its fall. Maybe 539... 540... 541... could be. But it can’t be after Babylon’s fall.
  

  ...so this verse 12 could only apply after the release of the Jews in 537BCE in the straits of time with the gradual desolation of the kingship, city and land as foretold also by Isaiah.

  Sorry, you have a choice. Hold on to grammar, or 537. Can’t be both. I await more word salad.
  

  
  
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  MeanMrMustard Jer 25:11 certainly refers to other nations who also are brought into servitude to Babylon but only for Judah that had to serve Babylon for a predetermined period of 70 years. After the 70 ended for Judah then as stated in vs 12 Babylon was to experience her judgement. The Babylonian rule or domination of Judah was to last for 70 years beginning in 607 BCE and ending in 537BCE.

  Pffft lol. That is some top notch trollery.

  For the sake of lurkers and the like: Notice 25:11 literally says, with no ambiguity, regardless of translation used, that “these nations will serve the king of Babylon seventy years.” It does not say Judah is captive for seventy years. It does not say Judah will serve Babylon for seventy years. It says “these nations”... the ones that were explicitly listed at the beginning of the chapter. There’s no interpreting to do, nothing. Just a plain, simple statement.
  

  25:12 is also simple. It has an order of events. First, the seventy years ends. Next, Babylon is held to account. Since Babylon was held to account in 539 BC, the seventy years ended sometime before 539. Now, I guess you could say it ended the moment just before Babylon fell - whatever that means. But one thing you can’t say is that the seventy years “for Babylon” ended in 537.
  

  This upsets WT chronology immediately. No need to debate about tablets.
  

  There is no need to force any other date for the fall of Jerusalem. 587 BC works just fine, no contradictions.
  

  
  
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

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  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  @ scholar, mega troll emeritus:

  MeanMrMustard It makes no difference as to whether Jer. 29:10 is translated 'for Babylon' or 'at Babylon' as the result is the same namely that the Jews remained in Babylon as Exiles for 70 years and the Jewish nation served Baylon for 70 years as Jeremiah had foretold exactly as the bible describes and in harmony with Josephus. The said scholar is no troll just ask Doug Mason. scholar

  Oh yeah? Why should I ask Doug Mason? Does he have some insight into your trollery?
  

  Come now, 25:11 says “these nations” will serve the King of Babylon for seventy years. Verse 12 sets up an ordering of events that invalidates the WT chronology, and 29:10 underscores that it’s 70 years “for Babylon”.
  

  It makes a world of difference. It is explicitly saying that the seventy years is not Jewish captivity, rather Babylonian rule. It completely disrupts the “Bible vs Secular history” narrative coming from the WT.
  

  This is the origination of the prophecy. The grammar is simple and plain.
  
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  Finkelstein

  What the said scholar knows is that Jerusalem fell in 607 BCE and not 586 or 587 BCE for the latter two years are impossible. In all of the information, you have just posted one solitary fact stands out and that is that there is no mention of the 70 years of Jeremiah which falsifies all of that information. So sad! Too bad!

  scholar

  @Any Lurker or questioning JW: Read Carl Jonsson’s book “The Gentile Times Reconsidered”.

  I haven’t wasted much time on this topic in years because of that book. It’s just flat out the best and most thorough dissection of this topic.

  However jo jo took the same course earlier in the thread that Jonsson takes in his book - the prophecy originated with Jeremiah, and the language is simple and easy to understand. Seventy years “for” Babylon. And the seventy years would end before the King of Babylon was held to account - establishing a clear order of events that can’t be reconciled with WT chronology - directly from Biblical sources.

  The way scholar speaks... he (or she) does seem like a troll.
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Dear comrade scholar marvelous sharp knowing inspired emeritus,

  The said post, by which I mean the post that said you were saying, for which I am saying, unfortunately, because I said, doesn’t make much sense. Therefore, I would like to propose, by saying this about the said post, but not my said post, rather your said post: Meh
  
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  MeanMrmustard

  Are you not pleased that you have just now learnt about the celebrated WT scholars?

  scholar JW

  I am pleased, comrade. These unknown, and unknowable, scholars have descended upon us, like a slow stagnant heavy fart.

  The world is dying to know, are you:

  scholar JW, emeritus

  or

  scholar, JW emeritus
  
  
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  Did Jeruselm fall in 587 or 586 BCE?

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i came across this article written in 2004 by an evangelical.. “when did jerusalem fall?”, rodger young, journal of the evangelical society [jets], 47/1 (march 2004), 21-38.. http://www.rcyoung.org/articles/jerusalem.pdf .

  these are the conclusions of the 18-page analysis.

  (1) jerusalem fell in the fourth month (tammuz) of 587 bc.

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  MeanMrMustard

  I used to love talking about this topic. It’s been years since I’ve wasted any time on it.

  The celebrated WT scholars are unknown and unknowable.

  whhhat.... the... fork? Was this an org phrase that I missed? Or did you make that up just now?

  scholar JW emeritus

  Emeritus?
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  Change of Address for JWN

  by truthlover123 in

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  i always went to this site for my info - now i had to type in jehovahs witness discussion forum and noted that various types of information are not indicated - saying not allowed.

  has something changed i am not aware of or is this my imagination?.

  under jwn is financial information on a specific company and now jw.org- broadcasting and home site .

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  MeanMrMustard

  I typed in “Old women washing new cars” and it was the first search result. Give that a shot, see if it works.