Posts by MeanMrMustard

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Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

MeanMrMustard

My point was that there were logical fallacies thrown around from the start.

The speakers in the first post's video are strawmanning. Their versions of abiogenesis and evolution stated at the beginning are an unreasonable caricatures.

I tried to illustrate this with a logical contradiction : a married bachelor. Demanding God perform a miracle that pretty much every theist belives is not possible, even for God, is raising the bar too high. It's disingenuous.

Of course, EasyPrompt, feeling clever, switched to a different context of "bachelor" and declared victory. The irony was very heavy at this point because this disingenuous redefining is precisely what caused the strawmanning at the start.

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All fundamentalist christians have believed the end times would come when Israel is attacked

by nowwhat? in

they believe the nation of israel is still gods chosen people.

what if they were the ones who were right all this time?.

MeanMrMustard

When haven't they been attacked?

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Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

MeanMrMustard

Such a devastating meme. We are all devastated now.

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Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

MeanMrMustard

No, his argument is even simpler than that.

OMG, really?

Chemists, biochemists and molecular scientists in the most advanced laboratory setups cannot even synthesize a living cell, even if you supply all the necessary ingredients. They cannot even synthesize RNA, an absolute necessary for a cell to function. They are not even close.

Wait. Wait. Are you meaning to tell me that if you put a slurry of amino acids, lipids, and proteins into a jar, it won't spontaneously create cellular life?! Are you sure? Did they shake it hard enough?

Abiogenesis: Origin of life from living matter. And a living entity must:
1) Be responsive to its environment.
2) Grow and change.
3) Be able to reproduce.
4) Have a metabolism and breathe.
5) Maintain homeostasis (steady internal physical and chemical condition)..
6) Be made up of cells.
7) Be passing traits to offspring.
Like your elder friend, if they accomplish the above, I will become a believer.

Pfft. Lol. And I'll believe when God creates a married bachelor.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

MeanMrMustard

"Remedy" - A Haiku by Lloyd Evans

The truth Defamed me.
I'll add you to the lawsuit!
Stop telling the truth.

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Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

MeanMrMustard

ad hominem

Nope. Didn't attack the guy. I attacked his line of reasoning. All fair game.

By the way MeanMrMustard, what he's saying: In the primordial soup would have to be many atoms and molecules that would have to be combined to start off life. Although millions of combinations being possible, only one combination would sustain life, e.g., the naturally occurring D-ribose sugar in DNA, RNA and ATP (see Wikipedia). What's the chance of that? But I'm afraid, only an experienced chemist would be able to work this out. So ask for a (chemist) friend.

I know what he's saying. He frames it all at the start with the " attributes of life". Its then used to do the same trick you've tried above: namely, there was a "soup" and then POOF! - fully formed DNA, RNA, ATP in cells. No intermediates, no process. No other possibilites. And then you coyfully ask "What's the chance of that?" It really sound like deception mixed with the old "irreducibly complex" argument.

This reminds me of the an elder I once talked to about evolution, and the proof needed for him to accept it. His answer was as soon as 'we have an example of a monkey giving birth to a human', then he would be willing to belive it. Didn't matter that nobody was claiming that should ever happen, and it would pretty much disprove evolution of it did.

You are making the same logical mistakes...

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars (continued)

by Simon in

jw
friends

uh oh, looks like the mega thread gave up the ghost, so while i investigate / fix it just continue the discussion here .... it's been a long 9 years lloyd evans / john cedars.

MeanMrMustard

You didn't provide any evidence.
You didn't even say what happened, when, where or how.

Yeap. We All knew it was coming. Try to hide the video where he explicitly admits to forking sex workers "definitely over 20" periodically (but somehow not regularly), over years of time, but especially during the Christmas holiday in Thailand. All because he doesn't have, nor does he think it is possible to have, "mastery of his penis".

Kinda hard (no pun intended) to keep up (ok, this time I intended the pun) this argument when all claims of defamation originate with his own words.

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Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

MeanMrMustard

I kinda like long-format videos.

And I tried to watch. But here, I could see the poisoning of the well within the first 10 minutes or so. And I've seen essentially the same arguments that follow.

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Critique of Chemical Evolution

by Vidqun in

"molecules don't care about life.

" first part deals with abiogenesis and the state of current research.

second part stephen meyer proposes intelligent design as an explanation of some of the problems.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bss0rxpsbuq.

MeanMrMustard

*sigh*

Molecules don't care for [doesn't encourage] life processes because of endless molecular combinations...

So limited configurations would encourage life?

Even if the right molecular combinations are achieved, these have a half life, which deteriorates quickly. E.g. RNA is very unstable and cannot be sustained outside the cell (as we found out with the MRNA "vaccines" which need to be protected by man-made nanolipids).

So the "right" molecules have to come together instantly, without any intermediates, no time span with those intermediates, to form complete cells (because chemicals don't "care"), and that's the only possible process by which life can arise?