MeanMrMustard

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  If Hal were Alexa

  by MeanMrMustard in

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jepkvuym9fg.

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  MeanMrMustard

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JepKVUym9Fg
  
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  MeanMrMustard

  We dont know, however, we must be careful not to assume too much.

  What we do know for sure is that Tony seems have been operating a bitcoin mining farm in the vents of the Wallkill headquarters. For years it was thought the excessive humming sound in building A was just the noise coming from the new heaters. Residents did think it was odd that the heat remained on, even when it was explicitly off.

  Now that the mining farm has been shut down, residents in building A scream at all hours of the night, scared of the deafening silence.
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  Prediction of Watchtower in a Few Years

  by Foolednomore in

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  kingdom halls will be the thing of the past.. conventions (mini assembly halls will still be going on) but will charge for attending and parking and always a donation.

  elders will play a much smaller role since csa.

  cart preaching will replace door to door.

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  MeanMrMustard

  I feel the org will be more accepting of tight pants going forward.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  MeanMrMustard

  More news emerging:

  Turns out Anthony was a vocal fan of The Last Jedi, even going so far as saying it was the best out of all Star Wars movies. He was going to tell the bethel family all about it, and how great it was to see a movie that subverted so many expectations. When Tony showed up to a GB meeting wearing a Rian Johnson fan T-shirt, they did what they had to do.
  
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  MeanMrMustard

  @DisillutionedJW:
  
  The first two paragraphs seem like we are in agreement. Let me try to pick out the places of disagreement.
  
  

  As result I began seeing that the idea of Jerusalem and Judah being in servitude for 70 years (or very close to that number of years) ...

  
  From this, I see you are OK with the idea of the seventy years being a round number. Ok, fine. It's definitely not a perapective JWs are fine with. But if you are OK with this, then you can agree that the seventy years of servitude ends in 539 (v12), but begins in 607.
  
  

  ... is consistent with both the Bible and history and science (archaeology) and approximately with the date of 606 BCE, and that stunned me and greatly impressed me. After that, when I read Jamieson's commentary which gave the interpretation of Jerusalem's servitude having begun in 606 BC .. I thought its reasoning made a great deal of sense, and displayed no "tortured logic" in that matter.

  
  Note: the comment about "tortured logic" wasn't directed specifically at you or Jamieson. Rather, the authority of commentaries in general.
  
  

  It also got around the issue of the fact that Jerusalem's destruction happened in the year 587 BCE (plus of minus one year) and revealed that the WT's reasoning about he the year 607 BCE (originally the year 606 BC) had some degree of logic and suitability to it. Regarding the idea of the Bible having prophesied that Judah would be desolate (instead of in servitude) for specifically 70 years, I don't recall any verses saying such, however I have not looked to see if there are any say such verses. In the past I might have read such verses, but I don't remember having read such. I do remember that the WT says that the Bible says that Jerusalem and Judah would be (and/or was) desolate for specifically 70 years, but I am not certain that view of the WT is correct. I am not 'defining the "desolation" referred to in v18 as more of a soft desolation, like a vassal or servitude.' I am not defining "desolation" as meaning "servitude"; to me they have very different meanings. I am not equating 70 years of servitude with seventy years of desolation. Likewise I don't see the Jamieson commmentary (which I quoted from) referring to the 70 years as soft desolation or any other desolation. That which I quoted from in it, in regards to the seventy years, is stated by the commentary as referring to the years of servitude and of captivity. I don't see it as saying the desolation as having lasted 70 years. It specifically says "Jeremiah's seventy years of the captivity begin 606 B.C., eighteen years before the destruction of Jerusalem ...."

  
  And here is where we differ. The commentary says the 70 years is defined as "the years of servitude and captivity." Then it proceeds to call it "Jeremiah's years of captivity" - applying it to the the time when the first exile/captivity took place. So, it really sounds like Jamieson is saying (and you are agreeing) the 70 years pertains strictly to Judah's captivity, except he's willing to acknowledge that there were three separate waves of exile.
  
  But Jeremiah says 70 years of servitude of nations, specifically all the nations round about (v9). So why limit this to one nation? What are you reading there that let's your eyes see 'nations' and yet reduce it to one 'nation'?
  
  Then there's this again:
  
  

  The plain sense of Jeremiah 25:29 says the calamity begins (starts) first with Jehovah's city (namely Jerusalem) and Judah and proceeds to gentile nations.

  
  "See, I am beginning to bring disaster..." is not the same as saying Babylon will "start with" Jerusalem.
  
  Seventy years of servitude, vassalage, to Babylon of many nations. One of which was Judah, but the rule of Babylon is the 70 years.
  
  Hence 29:10 - "When seventy years have been completed for Babylon..."
  
  The emphasis of the 70 years is always Babylon. Not just Nebuchadnezzar, Babylon. It's 70 years of Babylonian rule. And 25:12 makes it really clear because when the 70 years is up, Babylon falls ( in that order ).
  
  

  Though Assyria was conquered by Nebuchadnezzar II of Babylon before the year 606 BCE, Nebuchadnezzar II was not yet king at that time. Nebuchadnezzar II conquered Assyria while Nebuchadnezzar's father was king of Babylon.

  So? I don't see where the 70 years is attributed specifically to Neb. It's "for Babylon".
  
  I think the rest of your posts veered away into different topics. So I'll leave it here.
  
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  MeanMrMustard

  @DisillutionedJW:

  Thanks for the responses. A lot to parse through.
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  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  MeanMrMustard

  Sheesh. I guess nobody got the Lloyd reference with that last one.

  Tough crowd...
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  773

  Breaking News: Anthony Morris III no longer serving on the Governing Body

  by WingCommander in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this has been announced on the jw's official website, in the "jw news" section.

  this is not a joke.

  anthony moron da turd is out as a gluttonous body member!

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  MeanMrMustard

  Breaking news! Finally we know!
  
  As it turns out, the issue with Tony goes back for quite some time. AMIII had been growing disillusioned with organization more and more as time went on. He finally reached his breaking point in November of 2021. Desperate to find a way out, he began reaching out to the exJW community. His plan was to go public, and perhaps write a tell-all book (like Franz), retire, and hopefully spend his final years in peace.
  
  He finally found someone he could trust, someone with a way of distributing his confessions to the world. It's never been disclosed who he sought out, but all we do know is that in order to stay under the radar, he arranged to meet this person in Thailand sometime in December of that year.
  
  Morris packed up his evidence and took a secret flight over. But people that know Anthony, and who saw him after he got back, have said he returned from that meeting disappointed, sad, and empty. Later, witnesses would see him in the cafeteria rocking ever so slightly front-to-back and mutter under his breath: "just control it".
  
  Worried about his mental health, AM was referred to a psychiatrist. The witnesses that escorted him to his appointments remember screams coming from inside, and loud confessions: "It went on for days! He had no control over his penis at all!!! I was forced to wear tight corduroy chaps and a brown wig."
  
  Later he met with a judicial committee, and after telling the entire truth - which we will never fully know - they felt sorry, extended mercy.
  
  It sounds like he's been through a lot.
  
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  It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  original reddit post (removed).

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  MeanMrMustard

  Wrong thread...
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  How to debunk the 1914 calculus ONLY using JW publications?

  by psyco in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i remember having read somewhere, but i cannot find it anymore, that it is possible to debunk the 1914 calculus using only jw publications, like "insight on the scriptures" (chronologies) for example.. do you have any sources about that to suggest to me?.

  thanks..

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  MeanMrMustard

  Grammar is not the issue in Jer 25:11. It is the context and interpretation. The wording of the base text allows 70 year desolation of Judah.

  No. Grammar **shouldn't** be an issue. But if you disregard it, then it **becomes** an issue.