I never quite understood the Jewish hatred. I mean, it's true that the Jews have gotten the raw end many times throughout history... but why the idea that they are the center of bad things ?
MeanMrMustard
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Jewish Hatred Is Nothing New
by minimus injews have been vilified for centuries!
they were nomads looking for the promised land.
they have been nearly exterminated and yet they are still in the middle east as well as a brotherhood throughout the world.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
True the Bible does not contradict so one's interpretation must be in harmony with not just the context, the Bible book itself and the whole Bible. The 70 years ends with the 'calling to account of Babylon' which according to Jer. 21:12 what is clearly stated in that verse was only after the 70 years was fulfilled and not before that time.
Yeah, "These nations" (Judah and all the nations "round about") serve Babylon for 70 years. The 70 years end, and Babylon is "called to account".When were the 70 years fulfilled?
From v12, sometime before Babylon was "called to account".This could only be at the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE and not at the Fall of Babylon in 539 BCE.
That is the most unnatural reading, basically a non-sequitor. It doesn't follow. The 70 years of servitude could not continue past the fall of the government that they applied to. Illogical. For you to say "this could only be at the return of the Jews" is nonsense.The servitude to Babylon of a specific period of 70 years applied to Judah which also included other nations as stated in Jer. 25:11
Yes, and it was ongoing at the time 25:11 was written, as referenced by v18. It was 70 years of servitude, which had gotten its start before the destruction as a vassal state.Are you an expert in Hebrew and Bible translation?
Logical fallacy - appeal to authority. But irrelevant anyway.I concede no such thing. Babylon's calling to account or judgement was not immediate but a process in time as verse 12 clearly explains culminating with its desolation of the land which did not happen in 539 BCE. A careful and not sloppy reading of that verse proves that the judgement against Babylon could only have begun after the Return of the Jews in 537 BCE.
No, scholar. The promise of desolation is in no way connected to the 70 years, either in verse 10 or verse 12. Verse 12 states that the seventy years would end, Babylon would be called to account, and the land would be made desolate. The desolation is not connected to the end of the 70 years, just as the desolation of Judah is not connected to the beginning in v10.
For you to hypothesize that the "calling Bablyon to account" is suddenly a drawn out process that goes beyond the reign of Babylon the most indirect, illogical, ungrammatical reading. -
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
Gibberish: The 70 years was fulfilled at the ending of the 70 years marked by the return of the Jewish Exiles in 537 BCE
No, the 70 years ends, then Babylon is called to account. This is the order objectively, clearly stated at Jer 25:12. And that fits with 2 Chronicles. The Bible need not contradict.
The servitude began with the beginning of the Exile with the Jews being deported to Babylon
The servitude was many nations to Babylon (v 10,11), and was already ongoing at the time of Jer 25 - see v18 "as they are today".
You don't even need to get into contemporary sources. A grammatical reading of the text rules out WT chronology.
..for no other theory or viewpoint makes any sense.
Except the one that allows Jer, Chronicles, and history to agree.
Babylon was already brought to account with the release of the Exiles after its Fall in 539 BCE and its eventual desolation as foretold by Jeremiah.
You concede WT chronology is incorrect. If "Babylon was already brought to account with the release of the Exiles" in 539, and Jer 25:12 states the seventy years ends before the calling to account, then the 70 years ended 539 or before. But definitely not 537.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
@Rocket:
The land finally enjoyed its Sabbath rest, lying desolate until the seventy years were fulfilled, just as the prophet had said.
Until the seventy years were "fulfilled". Until the 70 years were completed - as in the 70 years had already begun. The "servitude" spoken of by Jerimiah started before the destruction, and continued during exile, until it was finally "fulfilled". And when it was finally completed, Babylon was brought to account. That's the Biblical order. It matches history well. It doesn't match WT chronology.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
Scholar has been arguing for the WT's chronology on this site for years, probably decades. He rarely comments on any other topic.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
Nope. The seventy years was a period of the Exile in Babylon, Desolation of the Land of Judah and Servitude to Babylon beginning with the Fall of Jerusalem in 607 BCE. and ending with the Return in 537 BCE. Nice and easy!!!
Jer 25:12 states the seventy years would end, then Babylon would be called to account. It says it explicitly, directly. You are just mistaken, as is the WT. Your mistake pits you directly against the holy book you so admire. Seventy years of servitude.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
70 years of servitude, scholar. Not desolation.
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What has happened to movie villains?
by LoveUniHateExams ininteresting video from the critical drinker.. his thesis is basically this: movie antagonists used to be well-written, but nowadays they suffer from poor writing and the shoehorning in of identity politics.. he makes an interesting comparison between darth vader and kylo ren.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnrp7skzogk.
what do you think?.
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MeanMrMustard
The entire industry has been swamped by woke bull shirt.
SJWs ruin everything.
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Interesting Find with Chronology
by Kelley959 ini hope this is in the right area.
i've been studying the 2520 days/years 607/587/586 debacle.
for a while now i have felt 1914 was wrong.
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MeanMrMustard
@Kelly: You could be the next Fred Franz. The WT needs that right now. They need someone to spin together an incredible conspiratorial web, leading them into the next growth spurt.
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Do YOU Think Biden Actually Won As President?
by minimus inor do you think trump actually won???
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MeanMrMustard
I do not think the AZ audit will show anything new. The one thing they didn't want checked were the signatures. They had no problem showing the voting machines. The voting-machine-rigging line from Lynn Wood was always a giant distraction.
And of course the GOP thought it would be a win to give up the signature audit in exchange for voting machines access. Fail.