MeanMrMustard

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  If The Mueller Report Doesn’t Prove Trump Colluded With The Russians They Will Still Claim Trump Is Guilty!

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  it’s already happening.

  they just can’t move on..

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  But accepting money and bluff information from a foreign country (Russia + oligarchs) …isn´t that a crime in the US?

  When did Trump ‘accept money ... from a foreign country’? What in the world is “bluff information”?
  
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  So the fact that the US has greater than 100% turnout in certain counties is a screaming red flag..

  I found the county-by-county breakdown of the 2018 midterms in Texas to be odd as well. It’s normal to have big cities turn blue. But on the border?

  
  
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  I feel about racism as a judge once said about pornography, "I know it when I see it". And sadly,I I see it too often.

  Riiiiggght. If you recognize porn with the same reliability that you recognize racism, I suspect you often jack off to a picture of a cinder block.
  
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @redvip2000: You are skating really close to the edge of Morph’s Law. You are almost there! One more post, maybe...
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @Della:

  ...due to being compromised mentally/physically,...

  True, but only in the sense that the President can’t discharge his duties. If you asked the left if Trump is “mentally compromised”, the answer would be ‘yes’. Does that mean he should be removed? No, because they consider anyone that doesn’t agree with them to be mentally compromised.

  Also, “physically compromised” would only mean in the sense of discharging the presidential duties. After all, I don’t think you would agree that a man in a wheelchair can’t be President, right?

  We have to be careful not to bring in weasel words that reduce “fitness for office” to “positions I agree with”. I’m not saying you are doing this, but the details matter.

  conflicts of interest,

  What do you mean here? This is too vague.

  or illegal/unconstitutional actions.

  No, I disagree here. Impeachment is meant to take care of this scenario, not the 25th Amendment. In other words, if the President shot a man in the face, murdered a man, you wouldn’t invoke the 25th Amendment. Rather, you would impeach.
  
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @Della:

  No problems here. But still, what do you think should have happened? Do you think his response is justification under the 25th Amendment for possible removal?
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @Della:

  Jamal Khashoggi was not a US citizen. What do you think should have occurred? A war perhaps?
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  @Spoletta:

  Criteria for mentally unfit? The last 2 years.

  There you go. How is it you have the testicles to level these claims at the "usual suspects"? Completely unreasonable.
  
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  Since the 25th Amendment was enacted to remove incapacitated or mentally unfit Presidents...

  This is where the fudging takes place. What do you mean by "mentally unfit"? The Amendment doesn't use this phrase. What is the criteria for "mentally unfit"?
  
  
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  Removing Mr. Trump from office.....

  by mikeflood in

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  former fbi deputy director mccabe confirms: there were discussions within the department of justice about invoking 25 th amendment to remove trump from office.... .

  i mean the us democracy isn't a third world country, a least the people involved should be reprimanded, they acted like trying a coup d'etat..

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  MeanMrMustard

  Bringing it back to the OP:

  The 25th Amendment, section 4, wasn't meant to address policy disagreements, or even crimes. It was written and ratified to bring some clarity around a President that is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office" and yet is unwilling or unable to transfer authority to the Vice President.

  This DOES NOT apply to Trump. It applies to Presidents that are not capable of making decisions, unable to discharge the duties of the office. A policy disagreement, a disagreement over a decision, or even crimes, does not apply here. Even if you think Trump obstructed justice when he fired Comey (he didn't, but even if you think he did), this does not apply. If you really, really think he committed a crime, then the appropriate process is impeachment.

  But it gets worse when you look at what exactly he thought constituted justification to use the 25th - namely, the firing of Comey. This was not only well within his ability to do so, without dispute, and a good decision, and was NOT obstruction (what did he obstruct?), it was actually an exercise of his authority. In other words, he was discharging the powers and duties of his office, directly refuting the applicability of the 25th Amendment here.