what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
@_Morpheus:
It is getting stranger. It seems InfoWars has been banned from LinkedIn too. Not his personal profile, but the company page. Confirmed by LinkedIn:
https://www.cnet.com/news/alex-jones-infowars-removed-linkedin-pinterest-still-up-on-instagram-twitter/
Wtf?! It’s LinkedIn, he didn’t post any content there. This doesn’t seem to be about “hate speech.” How did he violate their TOU?
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
Hmmm, I am getting into this more (been away from the news for a few days). They are not naming specific instances or exames of violations, so it leads one to believe if they did name specific instances, it would probably necessitate the banning of many other sites.
And if they list “conspiracy theories,” that would take down hundreds of channels.
And if they list “fake news,” then that would take down CNN.
what are you thoughts on this?.
i find this alarming because jones was very outspoken and had great guests on discussing topics most other media outlets wouldn't go near.. the fact that many have restricted him access to their medium what does this say on our freedoms of speech?.
What seems odd is that he wasn’t banned for any of the conspiracy theories. It was “hate speech.” And they can’t seem to point to any specific instances as the cause, just a general “we don’t like what you are saying, so you are banned.”
A few thoughts:
1) Even though they are a private company, you didn’t see this type of logic applied by the left regarding cake shops refusing to bake cakes for gays.
2) YouTube and Facebook funnel billions of dollars of revenue through these sites, and people spend lots of time and money advertising and building an audience on these sites. They do this (spend the money and time) with specific terms of use in mind. This may end up being a significant civil lawsuit against these companies, especially for some nebulous “hate speech” subjective reason.
3) I am aware that no law has been passed, but I am very uneasy about congress members lobbying for more bans (for their political opponents, of course).
it's that time of year again when i can get back on the fields with the metal detector looking for ancient stuff.
the first field to be harvested was full of peas - ideal as it leaves no stubble and it's a two minute walk from my house.
it has given up two coins in two visits this week.. the first one is a cut-half silver penny from the reign of henry ii.
Very cool. Keep posting updates.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/07/27/exclusive-jehovahs-witnesses-face-harsh-persecution-in-putins-russia/_________in my daily sweep of the web for interesting jw articles, the above link popped up.the report is probably propped up by a stream of watchtower propaganda publicity releases to the media.but what struck me was the comments below the article.. give it read and join in if you feel moved..
Go, Tax free, Organized, High-control groups! Go! Go! Go! You deserve to do whatever you want in a consequence free utopia!!
You must have misunderstood - I am advocating personal responsibility in this regard. That is, full consequences for your choice. I chose to join the JWs. My fault. Mine. That carries with it some consequences.
No high control group for me. I have freedom of association. And I wish to stay out of the governmental high-control group too.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/07/27/exclusive-jehovahs-witnesses-face-harsh-persecution-in-putins-russia/_________in my daily sweep of the web for interesting jw articles, the above link popped up.the report is probably propped up by a stream of watchtower propaganda publicity releases to the media.but what struck me was the comments below the article.. give it read and join in if you feel moved..
@DD:
That’s right. I got it. You think JWs are a destructive cult. But for the JW standing in front of you saying, “I don’t think it’s a destructive cult. I Iike this way of life, and I agree with the blood policy, and disfellowshippjng, and the entire lot of it,” what do you say to him?
Put another way: I think the Democratic Party is a destructive organization that’s actively toying around with ideologies that have literally killed millions. Do I get to ban them?
If your speech is thoughtless and causes harm to another, there should be consequences.
Aside from direct threats, how in the world does speech, thoughtless or otherwise, “cause harm” to someone? Are you saying that speech is violence?
Their freedom does not trump the freedom of others.
Right, now you got it. Excellent. So I assume we are done here?
Taxes are theft. I agree.
There’s no reason to allow Churches to operate tax free anymore.
Uhhhh... “Forced sex is rape, I agree. But there’s no reason to let women deny sex anymore.”
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/07/27/exclusive-jehovahs-witnesses-face-harsh-persecution-in-putins-russia/_________in my daily sweep of the web for interesting jw articles, the above link popped up.the report is probably propped up by a stream of watchtower propaganda publicity releases to the media.but what struck me was the comments below the article.. give it read and join in if you feel moved..
@DATA-DOG:
Right, you are advocating a ban because you don’t like people being JWs. They disagree with you. It’s granted to you that JWism can be harmful, yes. But that is irrelevant. If people choose freely to believe it, and live their life that way, it’s up to them. You have the same right - and you choose to exercise it differently. Good for you. I would hate to see the government force you into a different choice.
I believe the WTB&TS should pay NO tax, and I believe you should pay no tax too. Taxes are theft.
Freedom doesn’t give you the right to yell, “FIRE!”, in a crowded theater.
Who is yelling “FIRE!”?
Oh I see. That is a pretext used to justify your ban. Well, how about this: “I think you should be banned from all forums everywhere... why? Because you can’t go around yelling ‘FIRE!’” See it works for me too.
By the way, I think the whole “can’t tell fire in a crowded theatre” line of reasoning to ban speech is misguided at best. The speech should carry no consequences legally. The consequences flow from any liability that occurs due to yelling “FIRE”. There is a difference. We can discuss that if you like, but it’s a bit off topic.
Being part of a society that is supposedly civilized means that you cannot do and say whatever you want, whenever you want, without consequences.
Yes it does. Private property is the exception.
By the way, there is also no such thing as “hate speech” either.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/07/27/exclusive-jehovahs-witnesses-face-harsh-persecution-in-putins-russia/_________in my daily sweep of the web for interesting jw articles, the above link popped up.the report is probably propped up by a stream of watchtower propaganda publicity releases to the media.but what struck me was the comments below the article.. give it read and join in if you feel moved..
@DATA-DOG:
That’s a generalization, and not really the point. It’s time that vile behaviors are addressed and no longer swept under the rug of “religious freedom.”
Don’t undermine freedom of association because you view beliefs as “vile”... unless you were attempting to make some sort of distinction, but that didn’t come through at all. You are praising Russia’s ban “JWism” as an American.
Again, no government is without its share of ineptitude and hypocrisy, like Russia, but at least they’re trying to hold extremist religions accountable.
All governments are the epitome of ineptitude and hypocrisy.
DNA is to biological creatures as ineptitude is to government.
That’s the point. Governments shouldn’t choose which beliefs are vile, they will get it wrong each time. And then when they try to fix it, they make it worse.
Now, again, if you trying to make a distinction, perhaps addressing child molestation or letting children die by withholding medical treatment, then yes, there is a case to be made for those behaviors specifically. But saying “extremist religions” tends to make me think you were shooting for the whole shebang.
I freely admit that the Russian Orthodox Church may very well be just as corrupt as JWism, hence the hypocrisy, but that doesn’t mean JWism shouldn’t be put in check.
Define JWism in this context.
it just amazes me how the clown factory at the borgs basilica in warwick could produce 8 clown popes that act like self-licking ice cream cones and the jdubs take them so seriously.
if the popes said that they were going to have a bible signing session at a king dumb hall 8 hours away that so many jdubs would make the trip the town would be swamped with traffic.. you know what is truly sad is when during jdub public prayers, the governing body gets more praise than the head of the congregation.
all jesus gets is the final "in jesus name.".
If the popes said that they were going to have a Bible signing session at a King Dumb Hall 8 hours away that so many JDubs would make the trip the town would be swamped with traffic....
Dont give them any ideas.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2018/07/27/exclusive-jehovahs-witnesses-face-harsh-persecution-in-putins-russia/_________in my daily sweep of the web for interesting jw articles, the above link popped up.the report is probably propped up by a stream of watchtower propaganda publicity releases to the media.but what struck me was the comments below the article.. give it read and join in if you feel moved..
Here we go again... weeeeeeee.
Around and round on the throw-principles-of-freedom-out-the-window-because-I-am-pissed-and-hurt carousel.
