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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

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  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @Oubliette:

  It implies nothing of the kind.

  Reading things that aren't there into what others say is such an annoying trait.

  It is a fact: according to the gospels, Jesus didn't address the subject. What that means is clearly open to interpretation.

  Fair enough.

  My opinion is that much of what is considered "Christianity" is an invention of Paul and not based solely on the alleged teachings of Jesus.

  Exactly. But that doesn't help out Christianity vs. Homosexuality. It seems that they still stand quite opposed to each other. Which leads into the next comment...

  All that being said, my point is this: The entire bible only has a handful of direct references on the subjects. For every scripture addressing homosexuality there are roughly 4,500 on other subjects.

  So why do the GB members spend a clearly disproportionate amount of time on this subject?

  My guess is that some of them, Anthony Morris comes to mind, are battling their own homosexual urges and deal with it by demonizing it. It is clearly an obsession with them.

  Do they really spend more time on it than other chruches? It just doesn't surprise me at all given the amount of news coverage given to homosexual-related stories. From gay marriage debates to Phil Robertson to DOMA, etc. It is always in the news, it seems. To me it makes a lot of sense that those Christians that do believe the Bible is inspired by God, including those books written by Paul, would give more sermons on the sins of homosexuality in increasing frequency.

  Now, this doesn't mean the GB isn't fighting gay tendencies. They surely might.

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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @frankiespeakin:

  You wrote:

  Just because Paul heard some voices in his head doesn't mean he's inspired from almight God and what he says is gospel truth. Paul had a life changing vision on the Damascus Road, their is no reason to conclude that his self proclaimed authority issued from God. Paul was a fanatic for his own veiwpoints un willing to reason otherwise.

  So Christians should reject Paul? Let me be clear - there are a couple different thoughts going through my posts. The first of which doesn't have much to do with your posts, but has a lot to do with the OP. In the opening post, the user stated that Jesus never said anything against homosexuals. Rather, it was Paul. This implies that perhaps Jesus was OK with homosexuals (or at least we don't know), and therefore implies that Christians should be more open to welcoming gay and lesbian men and women into the church. There are churches that do this, and there are gay Christians. To me, I have a hard time reconciling the two (homosexuality and Christianity). The only way I can see to reconcile the two is to basically give up one of the things that would make a Christian a Christian - bibical insiration/inerrancy. Once a Christian is willing to set aside the parts of Pauls letters that condemn homosexuality, why should any other portion be held sacred? I don't see a reason. I think you are approaching this from a perpective of athiesm - which is fine. However, for Christians, for those individiuals that claim to believe in the Bible as inspired, the statement in the OP (that Jesus never said anything against homosexuals) is meaningless.

  I followed up with questions about your use of "homophobe" because I feel it is a subjective, overworked term with little meaning. This was separate from the comment on the OP.

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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  You wrote:

  'That might be correct, that and the degree of how far you take your judgements of persons of a different sexual persuasion, the remarks you make and the actions you take against those considered "homosexuals".'

  I see. Is there some sort of objective way of knowing when these boundaries have been passed? For example, if I take my judgements so far as to *think* that a homosexual is "sinning" and is "leading an immoral life", is that "homophobic"? What if I say what I believe? The "degree" you speak of, it seems purely subjective.

  Bringing it back to my original point, surely if Paul was "homophobic", a gay Christian(or pro-gay Christian) would necessarily have to reject Paul. If so, does that gay Christian (or pro-gay Christian) reject all of Pauls letters too?

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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @frankiespeakin:

  Right, does this include anyone not "accepting" of gays? So if I were to think that being gay is wrong, then I must be a homophobe?

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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @frankiespeakin:

  Paul was a homophobe, selfcentered, arrogant, opinonated, and delusional.

  How do you define "homophobe"?

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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @designs: " MMM- Paul's uncomfortable around gays but gets his balls shaved in a homo-erotic religious ceremony....go figure :D"

  ooookkkk? I didn't read 2 RomanBaths 1:34 .... where Paul shaves his balls... or gets them shaved...
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  Homosexuality, the GB and the Bible

  by Oubliette in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the recent topics addressing the shamefully bigoted talk by jw gb member, anthony morris, on the subject of homosexuality got me thinking.

  what the heck is up with the gb's obsession with this subject?.

  as far as i can determine, jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @Oubliette:

  Why do the GB give such disproportionate attention to this subject?

  I dont' think this is so strange. Gay marriage is in the news now. It makes sense the GB would be preparing more material on it.

  As far as I can determine, Jesus never said a single thing in reference to homosexuality. My recollection is that there are only half a dozen scriptures in the entire bible on the subject and they are either in the OT or written by Paul. Either way, six or seven verses about homosexuality out of over 30,000 verses on a wide range of other subjects gives us pause to consider:

  I am not sure I understand this line of reasoning. Should Chirstians disregard the words of Paul? If so, what is to prevent them from disregarding Paul completely? Should the Bible be reduced to the gospel books? What of biblical inerrancy?

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  Who Made The Code?

  by Perry in

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  a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

  this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

  as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

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  MeanMrMustard

  @Perry:

  Argumentum ad populum

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  JW.org to be banned in Russia

  by redvip2000 in

  1. watchtower
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  my facebook was "lit up" today with all the out cries about the possibility of the organization's website being banned in russia.. as many of you recall this past august a court in russia banned the website and sought to make accessing the website in russia illegal.

  well tomorrow the appeal by the org will be heard in court.

  if the appeal is denied, jw.org will no longer be available in that part of the world, causing endless lamentations and cries of "persecution", only to bolster the idea that they are truly hated by the world because they are true christians.

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  MeanMrMustard

  Just curious, if they ban jw.org, what happens if the WT simply registers a new domain? Perhaps, HaHaHaSuckersThisDomainIsNotBaned.com ... I am pretty sure it is open....

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  Can being gay live in harmony with being a christian?

  by digderidoo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have looked at the thread about gay marriages in california and thought about asking this question there, but instead of hi-jacking that one i thought i would ask it here.

  there seems to be quite a few gay people on this site and i wonder how many class themselves as christian?

  if so, can being gay live in harmony with being a christian?.

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  MeanMrMustard

  @digderidoo:

  I think I am with you on this one. I consider myself an athiest. I have no problem with someone being gay, and no agenda. I have a gay cousin (he is atheist).

  But I have often scratched my head at those that claim to be Christian and gay at the same time. It just seems like a square circle to me. Unless, of course, you redefine Christianity - unless you remove most of the New Testiment from your theology. That is, as you noted, if you are going to condemn Paul for what is written in 1 Corinthians, and reject him on the grounds that he is out of touch with "the times", then you might as well remove him completely. You can't have it both ways, as you say. Or at least you end up giving up the idea of Biblical inspiration and inerrancy.

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