Posts by Cicatrix

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How Many Here Were Ever Placed On Restrictions?

by minimus in

jw
friends

and for how long?

Cicatrix

" I was unofficially shunned by a gossipy sister who shared her lies with others. Pretty soon, other people weren't talking to me."

Change sister to elder, and you have my experience. I was unable to just explain to others, though. Since the information came from an elder, they wouldn't listen. Sadly, the information was MISinformation that the elder received from jealous in-laws. They were considered pillars of the community (and were childhood friends of the elder), so were trusted, even though they weren't Witnesses.

I was scapegoated simply because my in-laws wanted my house!

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Hot Off the Press- WE ARE NOT ATTENDING THE MEMORIAL-FIRST TIME

by wednesday in

i have been feeling nervous all day.

my hubby has been out doing yardwork, so we hadn't talked too much.

finally we talked.

Cicatrix

"What "got " us was that we both felt so anxious about going to the KH. U would not think a place of worship would evoke anxiety, but it did."

Good for you Wednesday! You realized beforehand the feelings that the idea of going to the Memorial were producing, and chose not to go. The last Memorial I attended, I had a full out panic attack. If I would have been more in tune with my emotions, as you were, and stayed home, I would have been much better off.

This year, I stayed home, had a nice little chicken salad, and watched an interesting show about Jesus on tv-about the fifth one I've watched this week:) I even watched one the organisation vilified, and it was actually very interesting, and not anything like they portrayed it to be.

I stayed in the organisation for years, because a close friend kept encouraging me by saying "We aren't here to worship men, we're here to worship Jehovah." And I can honestly say, it did me more harm than good to stay.

Remember, BY THEIR FRUITS YOU WILL RECOGNIZE THEM

I hope you and hubby had a very peaceful, happy Memorial

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A Question for Leolaia

by Cicatrix in

hi leolaia, .

i've really enjoyed reading your posts over the past couple of months.

i was wondering if you've ever come across information on the copper colored serpent that moses instructed the israelites to look at.

Cicatrix

Peacefulpete,
I have another question. Why do you suppose that the serpent incident made it into the official cannon in the first place, since Yahweh seems to contradict his own law against using earthly things to represent him?

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A Question for Leolaia

by Cicatrix in

hi leolaia, .

i've really enjoyed reading your posts over the past couple of months.

i was wondering if you've ever come across information on the copper colored serpent that moses instructed the israelites to look at.

Cicatrix

Hi Leolaia,
I'm so happy to hear that you're working on it for your next post! I'll check in from time to time to see if it's up. You answered one question already:)

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A Question for Leolaia

by Cicatrix in

hi leolaia, .

i've really enjoyed reading your posts over the past couple of months.

i was wondering if you've ever come across information on the copper colored serpent that moses instructed the israelites to look at.

Cicatrix

"The Greeks inherited this iconography and honored their god Asciepius (Roman Aesculapius) with the same serpent/serpents upon a pole. This is our present symbol for the healing power of our medical professsion."

Thanks, Peacefulpete
I thought their might be a connection between the two.

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The memorial was tonight.... but I didn't go.

by English Patient in

jw
friends

.

i decided to stay in, and sign up here instead.

wise move?

Cicatrix

Welcome English Patient!

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Non Jw Dating a JW

by propel in

i'm a non jw currently seeing a jw.

i am not totaly clear about the rules about jw's in dating.

could someone explain this to me and does it vary from family to family at all?

Cicatrix

You might want to ask your friend to show you what the Watchtower magazines say about marrying "unbelievers", and what happens to unbeliving spouses at Armageddon.

Good Luck

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A Question for Leolaia

by Cicatrix in

hi leolaia, .

i've really enjoyed reading your posts over the past couple of months.

i was wondering if you've ever come across information on the copper colored serpent that moses instructed the israelites to look at.

Cicatrix

Hi Leolaia,
I've really enjoyed reading your posts over the past couple of months.

I was wondering if you've ever come across information on the copper colored serpent that Moses instructed the Israelites to look at. This incident is such a curiosity to me.

Thank You,
Cicatrix

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Do the WT authors consider the early church fathers to have been apostates?

by True North in

do the wt authors consider the early church fathers to have been apostates?

i seem to have a vague recollection that they do.

however, they don't seem to have a problem reading and selectively quoting or citing from their writings which would then be the writings of apostates.

Cicatrix

Members of what they term "Christendom" are often said to have "partial" knowledge. They pick and choose from the clergy whose qotes support their own aryanist views, whilst they soundly trash Christendom as spritual harlots.

Interestingly, by their current definition of apostate, Charles Taze Russell should be considered apostate by them, as he was definitely AGAINST the organization of religion, and those getting baptised must pledge their allegience to "Jehovah and his visible organisation" to get saved these days.

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Democrat or Republican?

by spiritwalker in

when i left the witnesses, i decided it was time to vote.

so i registered republican and went to voting all republican and conservative.

i figured, they might not be perfect, but unlike the democrats that i have seen.

Cicatrix

I'm a centrist Independent who is very concerned about the position of the Bush administration.

I am really concerned about any president who urges Congress to ammend the Constitution to take away the rights of any citizen.

Also, I stumbled across the Project for the New American Century site. The Project is a think tank that includes among its membership Jeb Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney. Here are some quotes from their mission statement:

"? we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;

? we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles."

I have a real problem with the "challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values"

And "preserving and EXTENDING an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and OUR principles (emphasis mine)"

This was written June 3, 1997, by the way. IMO, this strengthens the arguement that President Bush was looking for a reason to invade Iraq.