have you made the same effort investigating the history of how scripture was written down, compiled, redacted and selected as you did reinforcing your jw doctrines week after week at the kingdom hall?.
if you have; then you know it cannot be factual.. there have always been agendas.
the people with the agendas needed to wield power and using an invisible backup agent was a great device for controlling others.. somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.
"anyway, he's uninterested in his creation at the moment."
Or maybe the divine believes wholeheartedly in free will and is allowing us the opportunity to exercise it.
" i think if God exists, he's far more enlightened than someone who's harder to please than my drunk Irish father"
I agree:)
imagine my surprise when my wife shows me the cover of the october 2004 guideposts with serena williams photo on it and the caption, "serena williams serving the spirit.
" for those that have not heard of the guideposts, from its own pages, "guideposts is a monthly inspirational, interfaith, nonprofit magazine written by people from all walks of life.
its articles help readers achieve their maximum personal and spiritual potential.
Oops, I see we cross posted, Triple A:)
"and if she ever gave herself to Rome Brooklyn"
Lol, laughing while my heart is breaking. Tears of a former Brooklyn clown.
imagine my surprise when my wife shows me the cover of the october 2004 guideposts with serena williams photo on it and the caption, "serena williams serving the spirit.
" for those that have not heard of the guideposts, from its own pages, "guideposts is a monthly inspirational, interfaith, nonprofit magazine written by people from all walks of life.
its articles help readers achieve their maximum personal and spiritual potential.
"A usual matter of contention among Witnesses is whether the Williams sisters are actually Jehovah's Witnesses or not. Their mother certainly is one of us, and has been for years. The father certainly is not. (He often takes cigarrette breaks during the sister's matches.)
Based on Venus' and Serena's own words and actions, the answer is yes. She was asked in a recent interview what her involvement is with Jehovah's Witnesses.
quote:
Venus Williams: Well, we believe -- it's just like tennis. You can't just go once a month and expect your game to be on top. You have to reiterate everything. We believe in good association, association with fellow Witnesses, not becoming too involved with people that don't have the same beliefs and same values that we do. We go to meetings three times a week. They encourage us. You learn there, you learn more, just continue learning until you get a better understanding of things. I guess you are aware that we do house-to-house witnessing. I can't do that at all because I'm on the road. Getting more popular, I don't know if I can go house-to-house. I'm thinking about that."
This was in the freeminds.org link. It has no date, though. The first link also had a quote stating she's a JW, but the date is 2002. I wonder how old the freeminds article is. I wonder if she still feels the same (lots of youngsters fade or quit). Evidentally until recently, she considered herself JW, and most likely the public does still.
It'll be interesting to see how things are handled.
Btw, thanks for the links, Triple A .
imagine my surprise when my wife shows me the cover of the october 2004 guideposts with serena williams photo on it and the caption, "serena williams serving the spirit.
" for those that have not heard of the guideposts, from its own pages, "guideposts is a monthly inspirational, interfaith, nonprofit magazine written by people from all walks of life.
its articles help readers achieve their maximum personal and spiritual potential.
" what does she do to make anybody think that she is currently a JW? "
That's what I wanted to know, but everyone is too busy trashing her looks to stick to the issue.
I was wondering if she's baptised or not,or if she even claims to still be associating with the JWs, because we all know things are handled in a different manner if she's not.
have you made the same effort investigating the history of how scripture was written down, compiled, redacted and selected as you did reinforcing your jw doctrines week after week at the kingdom hall?.
if you have; then you know it cannot be factual.. there have always been agendas.
the people with the agendas needed to wield power and using an invisible backup agent was a great device for controlling others.. somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.
"Why has man/woman thought about a higher power/creator through time? Because evolution from a non thinking source cannot produce the complexity of life seen in the hearts and minds of honest thinkers.
On the other hand, there seems to be honest thinkers who can concieve of the contrary."
And there are also thinkers who see no controversy in the concept of a thinking source using evolution to create;)
have you made the same effort investigating the history of how scripture was written down, compiled, redacted and selected as you did reinforcing your jw doctrines week after week at the kingdom hall?.
if you have; then you know it cannot be factual.. there have always been agendas.
the people with the agendas needed to wield power and using an invisible backup agent was a great device for controlling others.. somebody is always insisting they have an invisible and mysterious source of divine information and selling it like hotcakes and syrup.
Hi Terry,
I found this article online whilst surfing around. It may give you some insight into your question.That is, if you are truly wanting to understand, and aren't just espousing your own agenda;)
hey, anyone out there like poetry?
have you a poem that you wrote that you would like to share?
or just a favorite poem (by anyone) that you would like to post and talk about?
DIY,
You wrote a very moving poem-one of those that makes you stop for a moment and think deeply. Remember right down to the marrow.I like how you used something which is generally seen as so mundane, the humble staple gun, and it's "click click click" to make your point.And "seized to a whisper"is such an awesome line.
Thanks for sharing.
hey, anyone out there like poetry?
have you a poem that you wrote that you would like to share?
or just a favorite poem (by anyone) that you would like to post and talk about?
i just got dfed last night.
i want to thank you all in advance for helping me through this.
i wanted to fade but my wife insisted that i wasn't gonna dfed.
"they told me i wasn't gonna see my father in the new system. they said he'll be looking for me and i won't be there. arrrrrrrrrrrrrr!" Hmm, I wonder whatever happened to "Judge not lest you be judged." I thought only Jesus could decide that with Jehovah's authority.See that comment for what is was-a last ditch emotional appeal, well intentioned or not. I actually started having serious doubts about the organisation a couple of years after I was baptised, but allowed a similar appeal to keep me in for way too many years-almost twenty.The elder used the "think of your children's future" appeal on me. He was sincere, but I wasn't clear headed.After my children shared their true feelings with me years later, I realized we would've been much better off if I'd have followed my gut instinct and DA'd way back then, before they were old enough to have been exposed to the organisation in ways that may affect them the rest of their lives. Welcome to the rest of your life:)
i got a call the other day from a friend of mine who's a devout christian, and he told me that even though he thought highly of me, he asked how could i (a reference to the marriage to my husband) bring so much anger and pain in god's heart.... it was a pointed question, and at any other time i wouldn't of answered his question in a way that would of resulted in a theological lesson.
but i responded almost immediately: .
"we must do a pretty good job bringing god so much unhappiness, anger, and upset.
When I was a child, I was mostly unchurched, but very spiritual.I felt very close to the deity I referred to as God. I didn't think of "God" in the narrow sense of a male being in the sky who was harshly judging us. I felt like God was a very benevolent being who was there to help us and teach us, but didn't butt into every little aspect of our lives. My childhood God expected me to be responsible for my own actions, learn from my mistakes, and treat others the way I wanted to be treated.My childhood God could be one thing to me, and another to someone else, and yet I felt that it was ALL God.
It wasn't until I started getting involved with organised religion that I even knew any other concept of God existed. For a long time, I believed what others told me about this stern, judgemental concept of God, because the people who told me about him seemed so sure. But gradually, I realized that a concept of a God who demands fearful service or retribution didn't allow for true free will, and didn't allow for the type of communion that is derived out of the pure joy and love that one feels when one thinks of the concept of God.I realized my joy was gone, my service was hollow, and that I would rather be dead for eternity than to go through the outward motions of serving such a God.
I was terrified with the idea of leaving the only community I'd known for twenty years, even though I knew I didn't belong there, that it was making me so agitated that my health was failing.Then I had a series of very beautiful, compelling dreams.Was it communication from something divine, or my own psyche? I don't know. All I know is that it gave me the courage to leave a belief system that was destroying me and my family little by little.
And the God of my childhood-be it a Divine being or an archetype of my psyche, it doesn't really matter a bit to me which it is-was there to welcome me back home:)
