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I have found the truth about the truth now...

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i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

Ronald, thank you for the link to your blog about Gods name I will read the blog. Great information for a truth seeker like me.

I can understand your thoughts about Fritz Springmeier and I thought the same first that he is taking things out of context and

he also used a lot of imagination....however after a while I could connect the dots and see why it could be true some of the things

he has written about the Jehovahs Witnessess and Charles Taze Russel and I could also see the reason for it.

The armagedon preaching the JW are preaching, the pictures they are showing in there books are not the armagedon of the bible. If this armagedon would be true god would not be the god of love and compasion. My reason to belive Fritz Springmeier at least some of it is because I can connect the dots of everything I have read and checked and at least some of Fritz information could fit into my puzzle.

What I am doing is connecting all the dots or laying a puzzle of pieces. I know I will never get the whole truth at least I will get some of it.

I can't write down everything about why I beleive Fritz in some ways because the story will be to long. I can just say on the outside when you know nothing the Jehovahs Witnessess looks perfect : they are nice, they are friendly, they dress nice etc. They don't use ugly words, they are not using violence etc....and satan he is turning light to dark and darkt to light...and listen to those 2 videos I send you here. I have found them on you tube...and explore if she could be right about gods name:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uYWtBb01G0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz6IBvTxlPE&feature=related

If she is right satan has made the Jehovash Witnessess to pray to the evil god of this world....

This is just some pices of my puzzel this is not the whole story

I have already read Crisis of Conscious 2 times and right now I am reading In search of Christian Freedom for the second time.

KA

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

I my case they read it up on one of the weekly meetings that I was disfellowshiped even if I was not baptized. I was born into it only and I have been taking part in the door to door activites. They must have done it in more cases then mine otherwise why would there be an article in the watchtower a couple of years later that it was not anymore OK to disfellowshiped unbaptized? In my case it was too late then the hurt have already been made.

Thank you for the tip, I have not read it so I am going to read it.

cyberjesus: the FLOCK book, is online :-) what did you mean by this comment?

KA

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

About the teaching that I think the watchtower are right in:

1. I will research the hell teaching more...still I personally have understand god as the loving god. He can not treat humans like that. If they don't want to be the creators "children" they have the choise to die not to be tortured....eternally. That is a teaching from the devil. He makes light to dark and dark to light. He is a lier...still I will research :-)

2. I don't know who will go to heaven. According to the bible it is the people who should rule with jesus christ....and I know it is a watchtower teaching but I think they are right in this....but it is not the Jehovahs witnessess and certainly not the people selling awake and watchtower...I think it must be the 12 disciples (the first followers of christ) and in each of their family line more people. It has nothing to do with Jehovahs Witnesses and their teaching with who will take part of the wine and the bread.

3. About UN. I am not the only one believing this. There are a lot of people who are not witnesses and are even ateist believing this. And they are screaming world government every day on the news now. It is hard to not find articles in this directions...every day...

4. Yes you could be right on this I have also read this. Still he should be the king in the kingdom of god and for at least 1000year while the earth will be restored? Or do you have another understanding of this?

5. :-)

6. Yes I know it is a watchtower teaching. I do not agree with them that it is the Jehovahs Witnessess kingdom and that they are the only survivors etc...that is not the true armagedon from the bible. Still if you think about t he creator. He is a mathematical god...he is thinking logical. He thought his creation was good. Satan and the humans destroyed it and some day he will restore his creation. There are no reason for keeping the earth as it is. Let us human kill each other and when we die we will go to heaven. There are no logic behind this. This is a teaching from many different religions. and I don't understand what should we do in heaven. We are created for life on earth. The nature is created so we can have benefit from it etc...

I don't think even if the watchtower are not the so called truth I can still accept a teaching if I find it true. If somebody says a lot of true things not everything needs to be true and if someone says a lot of lies not everything needs to be a lie.

Keep studying and you'll eventually find that Satan is just another fiction created by authority figures to instill fear and guilt as a means of control.

I don't know how you make a quote...so I just made it in another color.

I believe that the heaven and earth are created by god. For me it is easiest to believe that the bible is the word of god because I am living in a western country and I grow up with it.

I believe that satan exist and I believe that Jesus is gods son. If those 3 caractars or any of them are not existing in real life. The bible would not be true, many humans would be very evil from nature and we have no hope except for this life.

The evil in the world that I found during my research are proof to me that satan exist.

How do you explain the evil in this world without satan?

KA

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

About disfellowshipping non baptized: I was disfellowshipped maybe they did wrong against there rules but I even called myself that because they called me disfellowshipped. I am in Scandinavia so it was not in your country. They had an article about it in watchtower 1988 or 1989 that it was no longer OK to disfellowshipped non baptized. After the so called new light had come they could only say that this non baptized person are no longer associated with the assemble.

In my case they read up the message in the assembly at the Kingdom hall that I was disfellowshipped.

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

Before 1988 if you have been participating in the door to door activities they disfellowshipped people even if they were not baptized and 1988 or 1989 there comes "NEW LIGHT" so they had to take it back...in my case so I am not disfellowshipped anymore...

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

Yes I have read Crisis of Consciene twice ...I am for the moment for the second time reading "In search for christian Freedom"

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

I agree that everything that the Jehovahs witnessess has taught must be checked again I can't trust

a word because this is false religion still I have some points I think they are right:

1. There are no hell

2. I don't think we the people should go to heaven, not in a rapture and not after we are dead...I think they are right in that only some people will go to heaven.

3. The world government are created with the UN as the top and 10 "horns" under it

4. Jesus Christ will be king in gods kingdom for 1000 years.

5. The Earth will be restored some day...I don't know the time and the date

6. Eternal Life are for most of us on the earth not in heaven

I can come back later on with some more thoughts this is what I am thinking about first...

KA

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

Thank you for the welcome messages and yes I really like
education the only problem is I can't stop reading now:-
I am, for the moment, exploring gods name, and I think they
even have not said it right either.

Eustace Mullins are talking about "Jehovah" in one of his books,
and I am sure Fritz Springmeier is talking about it. I have not
yet found the book "Be wise as serpents" however, I have read
the book "Watchtower and the masons".

I have as I wrote read a lot about freemasons and other similar groups
and their most important word is Jehovah a double sexed god, so I have
stopped call the creator Jehovah. If I want to say the name I just say.
YAH it should mean the word god in hebrew if I am right.

Explore what "hovah" means in hebrew and I think you will be surprised.
I am looking for the proof of what I found about this...

About Charles Taze Russell. Half of the information I have got is that he
is not a Satanist and a pedophilia and half of it is the opposite that he
is a Satanist and pedophilia...My conclusion is...if you read about the
illuminate you will find out, they are luciferins. One of their spiritual
centers are in Pennsylvania. They have created many of the religions. They have,
for example, created the Mormons. There were many illuminate religions and beliefs
around the time for Charles Russel.
If he was a freemason, or if he was not it does not really matter because I can prove
that he had a lot of knowledge about the freemasons. He knew all their words, and he even
mixed them up with the information he took from the bible.
For example: He called Jesus Christ the Grand Master... and even today Jehovah Witnesses
calls him the master...not the grand master only master...and that is not the only
word he mixed up. About the pyramidology that is used by the freemasons to.
However, if he was a freemason it does not surprise me if he was. There is too much money involved
were did he get them from in the beginning? Even if he wrote popular books still how could he afford to
market them. There is of course someone behind that money, and you are not free when you take loans
you will do what your master has instructed you.

About the Toga party: I have only heard that Charles Taze Russel was out in some white clothes in the middle
of the night waiting for Jesus to rapture him.

Ronald: I am not trying to offend you if you are a "bible student"...in my case...when I started to read some of.
Charles Taze Russell books I first read all his _ preaching and I was really happy after reading the book and
also discovered that he was not interested in organized religion.
I said to myself maybe I should be a "bible student" the message sounds so positive....
Then I started to compare his teaching with the freemasons...and I also studied the illuminate and their beliefs
and their goals. One question you could ask yourself:
Why are there so many religions from Pennsylvania? Why is Charles Taze Russell using the same word as the freemasons?
Why have there been so many meetings from the followers of Charles Taze Russell in the Masonic temple?
I mean if Charles Taze Russel was not a Satanist and not a pedophilia etc. and all the other negative things they say about him.
He stills know everything about it. He writes about it in his books. For example the name watchtower is pagan...and before that
the tower...(the tower is important in freemasonary and I think you know of the tarot card with the tower)...My conclusion is even if he was not any of the things he is accused of the creator would never use a person who is connected to Satanism and his good friends were also masons...no, I can't believe that. Even if there are only small connections with satanism and the masons the creator would never use a person in that position. That is my concolusion.

About if the bible is gods word or not. I think the bible is gods word however I am not sure if it has not been manipulated during the years. For example in one part of the bible it is said that the creator could never test your faith with evil still he ask Abraham to sacrifice his only son. If you compare to satanism who is asking for human sacrifice...it is satan/lucifer never god. Eustace Mullins wrote that they have manipulated the bible...and he is not the only one with that claim. I will read more about this to.

I am happy I could comfort some people with my little story.

KA

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I have found the truth about the truth now...

by truthseeker12 in

i am a third generation of jehovah witnesses, even if i never got baptized.

however, they disfellowship me when i was around 15. this was around 1987. even if i have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative.

a couple of years ago i thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all.

truthseeker12

I am a third generation of Jehovah Witnesses, even if I never got baptized. However, they disfellowship me when I was around 15. This was around 1987. Even if I have not been in the "truth" for so many years it has affected all my life in many ways not only negative. A couple of years ago I thought the events in the world maybe proved to me that they were right after all. Maybe they had the truth?

I started to feel bad when I was thinking about going back, and I didn't know how to managage it because I can think now...I can read and I have an education, so I am not the little stupid girl any more...but then I was thinking if that is the only way to serve my god Jehovah then I must go back but first...I need to make sure to myself that they had the truth. It is required by the bible to check that the information is coming from god and are not from humans or satan.

I started to read and read and read....and I did not only read the books from Jehovahs Witnesses, I read about politics, world history, other religions and belief, other brotherhoods and I also read about the free mason...and I have read so much during these 3 years, so I can't tell you everything, and I am not done yet.

Finally, I have proven to myself that Jehovah Witnesses don't have the whole truth and what is worse is some of the preaching are from satan...and satan makes light to dark and dark to light, and he has managed again...in this case. I also discovered they have forgotten the most important person...Jesus..they place him in a role that is not from the bible. I also discovered that the new world translation is not so good...it is better to use another version of the bible... And the Armageddon preaching are not the same as the Armageddon of the bible.

There are also too much money in the so called truth...so it is more like a business ....some of the words they use are also the same as the masons use. JW is a Masonic religion in many ways. Last but not least Charles Taze Russell, Pennsylvania and JF Rutherford could not be people or places that god the creator chose for waken up to the Christian church...this is impossible. It is very easy to see the tracks to Masonic, Satanism, and pagan origin...and Rutherford let Beth Sarim be built while the other people were lining up for bread 1929. (and also the cars he had access to). That are not very Christian. And why didn't they follow Charles Taze Russells testamente? Why did he almost "steal" the business...and why did he said in his book "Religion". You should not join any religion...exactely as russel Rutherford first wrote negative about organized religion and still after some time he created this organized religion....

During this time, I have also got the proof about why there have not been so much love between the members during my child hood. And how they have treated other people and relatives to...how they have split up families and talked very bad about each other behind once back. The result for me is, for example, I have almost no family, no relatives, no husband and no children...etc. They also drive people away from the word of God, Our heavenly father and Jesus Christ. I have not reading the bible in almost 20 years because of the JW. They drove me away from god when I was 15. I did not know any better than to belive them that I was doomed so I stopped pray to god too.

If you read the new testament Jesus says "nobody comes to the father except throw me", "I am the way, the truth, etc.", "You will get eternal life if you believe in Jesus Christ", "Love is the whole law", etc.

There is so much proof I have collected, but I can't present it here. I just wanted to let you know if it will comfort someone that you are not deemed by god because of judgement from the Jehovahs Witnesses they can't have that authority.

My conclusion so far is that the true belief is to get out of all religions and accept Jesus Christ as your only savior.

Still Jehovah Witnesses have a lot or some truth in their belief to...with that said all the other beliefs probably have some truth and some lies in them so the only thing possible in this deceptive world is to not be part of any organized religion and only be a Christian with the hope of life in Jesus Christ. I am not sure if the creator god really cares if we understand the bible differently, for example: if we should go to heaven or if the garden of Eden will come back on earth...(paradise). The only real command is a belief in Jesus Christ as our savior....Jehovah Witnesses says exact knowledge...that is impossible I have been reading for 3 years...and I will never get the exact truth...There are also a moral behavior in the bible still is it possible to never do anything wrong...no it is not so I think we need to to the best we can...

I hope this help someone. I just felt I needed to write this down.

I feel sorry for the members of Jehovah Witnesses they think they are serving the creator and still satan must be involved, I have discovered the connections. The members also take a big risk because they will be fooled when satan makes his moves. They can't expect to get the right warning from their organization....

OK this is my short storry about the JW.

Thank you

I am working on forgiving and moving on now and find the right way with Jesus I am not sure yet how the correct way is but I will try to find it.

KA