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  Worldly Shunning

  by alice.in.wonderland in

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  i hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.

  http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.

  most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "Interesting, Alice.

  The governing body deny apostolic succession for any other religion, yet claim it for themselves.

  BTW, I don't expect an on-topic response to this from you. It's hard to have any kind of discussion with you when you post like a sniper, then leave for hours/days at a time. Also, you have effectively avoided Sherah's questions."

  Sherah's question number 1: “Do you have special dispensation from the GB?”

  I answered Sherah's questions in post 446 of 472. She's once again trying to set the stage for finger pointing, by drawing on a belief system that in effect brings judgment on herself.
  
  The administrative position of Jehovah's Witnesses doesn't claim apostolic succession. The Catholic Church denies the apostolic succession they claim. Others simply note the facts.
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Benedict_IX
  
  According to the Catholic Encyclopedia and other sources, Benedict IX was around 18 to 20 years old when made pontiff, although some sources claim 11 or 12. He reportedly led an extremely dissolute life, and also allegedly had few qualifications for the papacy other than connections with a socially powerful family, although in terms of theology and the ordinary activities of the Church he was entirely orthodox. St. Peter Damian described him as "feasting on immorality" and "a demon from hell in the disguise of a priest" in the Liber Gomorrhianus. The Catholic Encyclopedia calls him "a disgrace to the Chair of Peter."
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  Worldly Shunning

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.

  http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.

  most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  “No I don't. The average Witness is for the most part, dupe to the lies that the goons in charge spew. It's the leadership I can't stand, not the R&F.”
  
  I've been expressing freedom of thought here since my very first post. I'm not duped by anyone. This was stated about me simply because I test and entertain the ideas of others:
  
  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/195457/2/Horus-3d-Jesus-I-saw-a-tv-show-relating-the-similarities-What-do-you-know
  
  "If more Jehovah's Witnesses were like you ......
  ...... there would be less of them"
  
  I had a momentary reaction to the insulting, derogatory speech hurled at me in some of my posts and said some things I shouldn't have, as it caught me off guard. I'm not used to getting this sort of thing although I've been exposed to plenty of aggression towards Jehovah's Witnesses as an organization. There's no premeditated hate on my part toward anyone.
  
  And you will be objects of hatred by all people on account of my name; but he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. Matthew 10:22-23
  
  If you hate the administrative position of Jehovah's Witnesses, you hate all of those that loyally support it. That has something to do with why you can't speak to me without being insulting.
  
  Now I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought. 1 Corinthians 1:10
  
  it-1 pp. 128-129 Apostle
  
  Administrative position. In the formation, organization, and subsequent direction of the Christian congregation, the apostles occupied a primary position. (1Co 12:28; Eph 4:11) Although they were joined by others of the “older men” in such supervision, they formed a principal part of the governing body of the expanding Christian congregation, and this body was recognized by the early Christians everywhere as the channel of communication used by God to render decisions and direct the affairs of the congregation throughout the earth. (Ac 2:42; 8:14-17; 11:22; 15:1, 2, 6-31; 16:4, 5) This was possible for these men only because of the fulfillment of the promises about guidance by God’s holy spirit. (Joh 15:26, 27) Such help enabled them to recall Jesus’ instructions and teachings, to clarify points of doctrine, and to be progressively guided “into all the truth” revealed through them at that apostolic period. (Joh 14:26; 16:13-15; compare Joh 2:22; 12:16.) They made appointments to positions of service within the congregation and also designated areas in which certain ones would engage in missionary activity.—Ac 6:2, 3; Ga 2:8, 9.
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  Worldly Shunning

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.

  http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.

  most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  AIW: "I'd never wish anyone a permanent fate at Armageddon..."

  You are such a liar. Or have you blocked out from your memory the many times on this forum that you have revelled in telling us how we will all be destroyed at Armageddon and how glad you are that you will not be in the same boat as us??

  Seriously. Grab a brain cell.

  It may be that hate is in your nature.

  Hypocrite."

  I said no such thing.
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  Worldly Shunning

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.

  http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.

  most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  “I really couldn't care less what YOU wish on someone Alice, since you are not a Jehovah's Witness. You're a hypocrite. For all the pain and misery that Ted Jackass Jaracz caused thousands of innocent people by his pathetic stand on letting pedophiles get away with their disgusting behaviour, I truly do hope he does burn in Hell if there is one. If you don't like what I say, too bad.”
  
  Two seconds of thinking should tell you a supernatural dimension called Hell will never exist outside of your imagination. I don't care what you say about Ted Jaracz because I know it's not true.

  Examining the Watchtower's Child Abuse Policy: Exposing the Myths
  
  Unlike you I'm very concrete in my beliefs. I attended the meeting last night and I'm attending the district assembly this weekend. You can find concrete evidence for the existence of God. By the things you say, I see inherent hatred towards Jehovah's Witnesses. It doesn't bother me because I know it's misguided and there's no reason for it. If you don't feel this way you should stop saying these things. It may be that hate is in your nature. There are plenty of bitter people out there. Considering you used to be one of Jehovah's Witnesses, I for one am trying to figure out where this crap is coming from. I'll answer sherah's dull questions when I get home from work.
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  Horus = Jesus ? I saw a tv show relating the similarities. What do you know?

  by blondie in

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  watching religulous.

  http://www.paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/comparsison_horus_jesus_chart.htm (more charts on site).

  comparison of the lives of horus and jesus: coincidence?mstheme.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "If more Jehovah's Witnesses were like you ......

  ...... there would be less of them"

  I was born and raised in the Truth. That's why I'm much more inquisitive to the world around me. Those that come into Jehovah's Organization raised elsewhere are more focused on learning Bible truths they haven't observed anywhere else. There's a difference in what the Bible teaches and today's world. You can't argue with that.
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  Horus = Jesus ? I saw a tv show relating the similarities. What do you know?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watching religulous.

  http://www.paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/comparsison_horus_jesus_chart.htm (more charts on site).

  comparison of the lives of horus and jesus: coincidence?mstheme.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  OUTLAW, Were you once one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
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  Horus = Jesus ? I saw a tv show relating the similarities. What do you know?

  by blondie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  watching religulous.

  http://www.paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/comparsison_horus_jesus_chart.htm (more charts on site).

  comparison of the lives of horus and jesus: coincidence?mstheme.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "the faithful and discreet slave” does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight.—Matt. 24:45-47."
  
  This is true, so what? If you think Jehovah's Witnesses are only locked into what the “faithful and discreet slave” disseminates in the way of knowledge, you have the wrong idea. The encouragement to keep focused doesn't mean "live in a vacuum."
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  Worldly Shunning

  by alice.in.wonderland in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i hear quite a bit of criticism about jehovah's witnesses enforcing 1 corinthians 5:9-13. while jehovah's witnesses have a formal system of maintaining the organization's core values; egocentric, self-worshiping secularists have an informal system of rejecting those of whom they have nothing in common with.

  http://www.objectivistcenter.org/cth-32-390-religion.aspx.

  most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods.

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  alice.in.wonderland

  "What a silly, sad moron you are that that's the best you can come up with."

  I wasn't trying to pick a fight. For the most part I'm a peaceful person.

  I generally do not pin people down for not answering a question(s) as this little discussion group we have here is supposed be somewhat interesting. Answering uninteresting questions makes the forum irritating. None-the-less, people do it to me all the time.
  
  I've asked you several times to define your religious beliefs aside from venting your usual anti-JW rhetoric and I have received no response.
  
  This is because if you were to subject whatever it is you believe to the standards of criticism you use while analyzing Jehovah's Witnesses it would lead you directly back to Jehovah's Organization in a search for truth (provided you care or can even handle the truth).
  
  You are no different than anyone else who is up the existential creek without a paddle or prayer book, not knowing where you came from or where you're headed.
  
  http://www.freeminds.org/organization/governing-body/ted-jaracz-20-years-of-hiding-skeletons-in-the-watchtower-closet.html
  
  “Thank you so much for the summary Randy. If there is a life after this one, I sincerely doubt that Ted Jaracz is enjoying it as one of Christ's brethren. Knowing that his hard-line policy on covering up the pedophile problem caused so much harm to thousands of Witnesses is proof that this religion is run by a bunch of thugs who are only interested in their own power.
  
  I hope the scumbag burns in Hell."
  
  written by Mary Patterson , June 14, 2010
  
  This is the first time I've heard an “ex-Jehovah's Witness” reenact the fearful mindset that firmly believes human beings deserve to go to hell and goes as far as to wish it on a member of the Governing Body.
  
  The “if there is a life after this one” statement confirms what I stated earlier: You are no different than anyone else who is up the existential creek without a paddle or prayer book, not knowing where you came from or where you're headed.
  
  Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe in Hellfire. I'd never wish anyone a permanent fate at Armageddon or a sentence to burn indefinitely.
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  What Are Songs That You Just LOVE?

  by minimus in

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  i'm a lover of r&b, soul, funk.

  i like rock and very little country.. one of my favorite songs is by r&b legend al green.

  it's "let's stay together".

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  alice.in.wonderland

  

  When I was a teenager I listened to 80's, 90's metal. Now that I'm older I don't listen to the crap anymore. Music is like an outlet. However, I believe that the lyrics do make their way into the conscious and subconscious of the listener, and will influence their attitudes, perspectives, and emotions if they don't consciously screen and qualify them. The real fact is that once having heard or seen something, you can't unhear or unsee it, and it will leave an impression one way or another.
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  What Are Songs That You Just LOVE?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm a lover of r&b, soul, funk.

  i like rock and very little country.. one of my favorite songs is by r&b legend al green.

  it's "let's stay together".

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  alice.in.wonderland