Ray Franz was a GB member, so he was a "cop" too. He was a good cop who quit when he realised the force was corrupt and that the good cops never win.
MrMonroe
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MrMonroe
JWs in general are poor listeners. At the doors they "listen" to the householder only to detect verbal cues to respond with their "truth". They just don't give a s**t about anyone's opinions.
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MrMonroe
Harsh, Oubliette. Raymond Franz was much the same as most sincere JWs, believing the lie, doing what he thought was best, and doing what he could to lighten people's burdens until he discovered it was all a lie. He deceived the R&F, but no more than I did in conducting bible studies with people I met at the door or giving meeting assignments.
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Everyone asked to take their literature back to the KH?
by MrMonroe inmay be bullshit or just confusion, but here's a post at a facebook ex-jw page:.
"so last night i performed one of my occasional meeting attendances, and whilst watching the kids and planning my exit strategy in the event of a walking dead style zombie outbreak, i think i heard them read a letter saying that the brothers are now to destroy all old literature in their possession if it's in bad condition, or return it to the elders if it's in good condition, but you can no longer keep any old literature... hmmm".
anyone know anything about this letter?
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MrMonroe
May be bullshit or just confusion, but here's a post at a Facebook ex-JW page:
"So last night I performed one of my occasional meeting attendances, and whilst watching the kids and planning my exit strategy in the event of a walking dead style zombie outbreak, I think I heard them read a letter saying that the brothers are now to destroy all old literature in their possession if it's in bad condition, or return it to the elders if it's in good condition, but you can NO LONGER keep any old literature... hmmm"
Anyone know anything about this letter? Real or not?
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What song or line from a song bests describes your time as a JW?????
by karter inwaisted days and waisted nites.. freddy fender..
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MrMonroe
Not really a big fan of Dolly Parton, but "In the Meantime" kinda nails it ...
You know people been talking about the end of time ever since time began
We've been living in the last days ever since the first day ever since the dawn of Man
Well nobody knows when the end is coming but some people tell you they do
Well it might be today, it might be tomorrow, or in a million years or two...
In the meantime, in between time, let us make time to make it right
And let us not fear what is not clear; faith should be your guide, just follow this advice..
And...
Think about love; Think about living
Think about love sharing and giving
Drop the Doomsday attitude and let the spirit flow
These are wonderful times we're living in
God still walks in the hearts of Men
And Eden's garden waves within so let the flowers grow
Well we rant and we rave about the "good ol' days" and how different it was "back then"
Well the greatest days we've ever known are the days we're living in
Well we worry about earthquakes, aliens from outer space, nuclear holocaust
Well we're so consumed with the fear of dying; the joy of living is lost
In the meantime, in between time, let us make time to make amends
Lead the good life, just treat this planet right and try to all be friends and say with me again..
Ohhh...!
Think about life; Think about living
Think about love - caring and giving
Drop this Doomsday attitude and get on with the show
We've walked on the moon; been to Mars
Technically we've come so far
But still we wonder who we are
The farther along we go
(Doodle-doodle doo-doo-doo... ooh-ooh)
You know people been talking about the end of time ever since time began
We've been living in the last days ever since the first day ever since the dawn of Man
Well nobody knows when the end is coming—well that's what the Scriptures say
But that's a secret known only to God, he says to just watch and pray
In the meantime, what's the hurry?
In the meantime now don't you worry
In the meantime live, laugh- be merry
In the meantime, in the meantime
In the meantime troubles gonna show us
In the meantime the sky is still above us
In the meantime you know God's gonna love us
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my first post! (long read sorry in advance)
by Letts Party inlong time lurker, first time poster here finally looking to get some things off my chest.
i've always been a very curious person with tons of questions about everything, and i also care deeply particularly about societal issues like social injustice, racism, and homophobia.
that, coupled with how boneheaded all the elders in my congregation are (except for one), led me to ask even more questions that led me to find ttatt.. .
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MrMonroe
Loved your post -- and welcome to the real life. I'm so glad Wikipedia became part of your window to the truth. I have helped write many of those articles and continue to strive to ensure they are accurate, balanced and based entirely on facts any reader can verify. My wife and I both woke up to the truth about six years ago, left and never returned. It is as if we have reclaimed our lives, and we feel both bitter and embarrassed that we were conned for so long. Life is too short to give it to a deceived and deceitful high-control religion. All the very best with your challenge re your wife. My best advice: take it gently.
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Could you get disfellowshipped for simply asking questions?
by LogCon inif so, what would be some examples?.
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only questions that show a higher degree of thought and intelligence please..
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MrMonroe
William Schnell, in "30 Years a Watchtower Slave" (chapter 5) wrote about how the Watchtower Society was "bent on eliminating the last vestige of individual thought and action within her ranks".
Using an increasingly strained extension of the concept of "types" and "antitypes" of Bible characters, Rutherford and his buddies set themselves up as the "Faithful and Wise Servant Class", to whom all goods were given, in a bid to eradicate completely the old Bible Student belief that CT Russell had been the "faithful and wise servant".
After that came the "Mordecai-Naomi class" (the last members of the 144,000 anointed on earth), then the "Ruth-Esther class" (a later, younger class of recruits when it was discovered the door to the heavenly class hadn't actually closed), then the vast "Jonadab class", over whom they would all rule. Schnell wrote: "Note that each class emerged on a lower strata, and the lower the strata the larger the numbers."
There was also the "evil slave class", and if you can be bothered reading Watchtowers from the 20s and 30s, you'll encounter many, many more: I started making a list of them at some point and it was both tedious and absurd.
Ray Franz, in "In Search of Christian Freedom" (p.166-7) wrote a fairly devastating critique of the Society's "class" concept as they applied it to Luke 19 and Matthew 24. He says that at Governing Body meetings he argued for consistency: since the "faithful slave" became a class, shouldn't there also be a "ten-mina class" and a "five-mina class", a "many strokes class" and a "few strokes class"? Where would it end? In the end, he said, the parable was being perverted: "Rather than serving as an exhortation to modest, faithful service to one's Master and one's fellow servants, it is used principally as a means to demand unquestioning submission to the Governing Body's direction."
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The type of publicity the WTS craves
by MrMonroe in"odd spot" in our newspaper the age today:.
"a salvation army worker who handed in $125,000 that fell from an armoured truck in california has picked up a $5000 reward.
joe cornell, who was unsure whether to give back the sack of money, said: "i went down there carrying the bag like i was santa claus.
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MrMonroe
"Odd spot" in our newspaper The Age today:
"A Salvation Army worker who handed in $125,000 that fell from an armoured truck in California has picked up a $5000 reward. Joe Cornell, who was unsure whether to give back the sack of money, said: "I went down there carrying the bag like I was Santa Claus." Brinks also donated $5000 to the Salvos."
If it had happened to a JW, and Brinks had handed over five large to the Society, the dubs would be hearing it as experience at conventions for the next 10 years. And they'd be saying, "Only a Jehovah's Witness would be that honest! Brothers, the world notices we are different!"
The fact is -- unpalatable though it is for the JWs -- there are good and honest people everywhere.
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After JWs inherit the earth...
by Zoos in... will they destroy all great pieces of religious art?.
just finished watching monuments men.
great movie!
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MrMonroe
Not to mention the ancient temples with their "disgusting and perverted" displays of sexual activity. The pyramids? Gone.
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WT edit to Wiki
by Poztate inthe gang in brooklyn must be very busy.
the wt ranks # 29 of all pages on wiki for editing.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/the-100-most-edited-wikipedia-articles/.
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MrMonroe
Don't blame "the gang in Brooklyn". With the very rare exception, the pro-JW editors come from all over the world -- a fact easily identified by tracing their IP addresses if they're not registered users. Most of them are quite ignorant and brainwashed, insisting that (a) the religion is led by Almighty God and (b) the non-JW sources cited in the article are lying, malicious apostates. Some delete the criticisms, hoping no one will notice, and many also say that the "real facts" about the religion are available at JW.org. Then they leave, never to return.
Despite the number of edits on the JW article page, the article itself is remarkably stable. It's thorough and balanced and clearly cites the sources of every point that could be in contention.