"As soon as I am 16 I am sooo out of this f~~~ing cult!"
Posts by cofty
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We were ALL conspiracy theorists once
by cofty ini have noticed an tendency towards conspiracy theories among the ex-jw community.
others, like myself are allergic to anything that hints of belief in a conspiracy.
then it occurred to me that this should not be surprising; the teachings of the borg amount to a conspiracy theory more fanciful than anything ever promoted by david ike and his ilk (see what i did there?).
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cofty
What is oozing out of her mind?
Interesting google ads this thread has attracted!
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jw grandparents miss my child
by looloo inmy mother received a phonecall from my jw motherinlaw (my mum is not a jw ) she said she would like our address , so she can send her son a get well card , she also said she misses our child who is now 6 and so does her non attendind meetings husband , she said she deserves to suffer but he does not as he dosnt go to meetings (not sure why she deserves to suffer , perhaps thats because she is jw and deserves to suffer because she has "the truth"!
) she told my mum that i would not let them see my child which really annoyed me as what i actually said was "that if her daddy wasnt welcome at their home (he is disfellowshipped) then im sure he would not want his daughter to go either , but i did not ban them from my home .
that was around about a year ago , we were just getting used to no contact even though my husband was very hurt , im not sure what to do now as they are apparently heart broken about not seeing her (even though it was because of them banning their son from the house last year that caused that ,and he was disfellowshipped 14 years ago !
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cofty
Thats a difficult situation, we had a similar dilemma when we left. My daughter was 3 and son was 7. My JW father-in-law who had been horrible to us all the years we were in the borg was on the phone to my wife within days of my being df'd demanding to take the children for days out (never bothered with them previously) and insisting that my wife was to bring them out to the car or arrange a time when I was not at home. I decided to play part of Mr Reasonable. I said of course they could spend time with the children but first I wanted him to call me and agree to some ground rules. I insisted we did this one to one I would not agree to discussing it by proxy. As I expected we never heard from them; 14 years and counting.
My parents decided it was easier for them to make a clean break. They deeply regret their decision now. In the last couple of years my son and daughter have kept in touch with them and have visited them and stayed over. Both sets of parents live over 100 miles away. My mum is very sad about missing out on their childhood.
If grandparents agree to treat you with respect and civility in front of the children and vow to never mention their religion I would encourage trying to maintain contact if practical, supervised if you have the slightest doubt about their ability to keep their promises.
Best wishes
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British Tories pledge to stop creationism in school
by cofty instick pins in my eyeballs or vote conservative?
its a difficult dilemma.
however with a general election on the horizon michael gove the shadow education secretary has just gone and added to my angst.
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cofty
Clearly, the whole matter is as simple as rejecting grade school math.
Yes teaching creationism is as dumb as rejecting grade school math (actually I'm guessing here, I have no idea what grade school is)
Of course there are many debates within the scientific community, if there weren't they could all go home and play golf instead. None of these genuine controversies effect a school curriculum.
Then there are the kooks like Richard Milton who give encouragement to religiously motivated kooks who wear ignorance like a badge. Lets keep them away from our childrens minds.
Why are you going on about Muslims and book-burning pensioners? (OK lets ban them too)
Do you do this on every thread?
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British Tories pledge to stop creationism in school
by cofty instick pins in my eyeballs or vote conservative?
its a difficult dilemma.
however with a general election on the horizon michael gove the shadow education secretary has just gone and added to my angst.
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cofty
Astrology? Homeopathy? Bring it on! Argue with it. Debate it openly in public discourse.
There is no shortage of debate on these things. The problem is that those who wish to promote pseudo-science consistently fail to produce any actual evidence to support their magic. The same goes for creationism and ID, where is the science? But as besty pointed out that's not the topic. My point isn't that vague is it? My objection is to the teaching of quackery in the classroom.
That's the advantage of freedom: let the people decide amidst unsuppressed choices, with little restriction. Let them decide what is practical for them and their happiness.
I so wish my teachers had had such an enlightened view.
3x4=12 does it? Who says? Bloody maths facists! All those hours learning boring multiplication tables, what about my freedom I would have been much happier if every sum added up to 42 its my favourite number.
Anyway I don't believe in god so who knows what 3x4 equals? Without god 3x4 has no absolute answer. Does it always equal 12? Says who? When? Always? Why?
Multiplication tables amount to tyranny of the mind.
"we don't need no education,
we don't need no thought control
no dark sarcasm in the classroom
teachers leave those kids alone ...." -
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British Tories pledge to stop creationism in school
by cofty instick pins in my eyeballs or vote conservative?
its a difficult dilemma.
however with a general election on the horizon michael gove the shadow education secretary has just gone and added to my angst.
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cofty
How much Dawkins have I read? Enough to know that he's a reptile
That sounds like an evasion of the question. Have you read even one of his biology books in its entirety? The Selfish Gene, The Blind Watchmaker, Unweaving the Rainbow, Climbing Mount Improbable, The Ancestor's Tale. These are outstanding works of real science made accessible for the general public.
How about other popular biology writers like Jerry Coyne's "Why Evolution is True" or Neil Shubin's "Your Inner Fish"? An exceptional book on fossils and geology is Donald Prothero's "Evolution, What the fossils say and why it matters"
Evolution is the most elegant theory, to deny it is to reject multiple interconnected fields of science. The creationst movement have never contributed a single thing to science and yet they want to teach it in the science classroom. If we are going to allow the history deniers to fill children's minds with fairy stories like creationism why don't we go the whole way and teach them about the wonders of astrology, ESP, dowsing and homeopathy?
Richard Milton is a loony. Let him publish his nonsense in books and websites if he wishes but Dawkins was right to protest about his ignorance being published in the Times Higher Education Supplement masquerading as science.
In chapter 10 of his book "Shattering the Myths of Darwinism" Milton asserts that there isn't a single transitional fossil and specifically that there is a complete lack of transitional whale fossils. Short of the old, "its only a theory" or "why do we still have monkeys?" chestnuts it would be difficult to imagine a more foolish statement. Levels of ignorance of this level should not be published in a serious journal.
The NY Times article about the US founders means little.
Did you read besty's link to the article in the NY Times on the control the christian right have gained on the Texas board of education and the effect that has on education nationally or did you just see the picture and headline?
(Pat) Robertson’s protégé, Ralph Reed, once said, “I would rather have a thousand school-board members than one president and no school-board members” —
Fundies, christian and muslim, have a very strong desire to pollute our children's education with their ignorance. It matters.
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What's your personality type? Myers-Briggs test
by frankiespeakin intake this 72 yes/no question test to find out.. http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/jtypes2.asp.
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cofty
Really interesting thread. My numbers were
E - 67%
N - 62%
T - 38%
P - 33%
Beware of ENTPs we argue just for sport hahaha
Here is a summary of the meaning of the 4 indicators.............
According to Carl Jung's typology all people can be classified using the following three criteria:
- Extraversion - Introversion
- Sensing - Intuition
- Thinking - Feeling
- Judging - Perceiving
The second criterion, Sensing - INntuition defines the method of information perception by a person. Sensing means that a person believes mainly information he or she receives directly from the external world. Intuition means that a person believes mainly information he or she receives from the internal or imaginative world.
The third criterion, Thinking - Feeling defines how the person processes information. Thinking means that a person makes a decision mainly through logic. Feeling means that, as a rule, he or she makes a decision based on emotion.
The fourth criterion, Judging - Perceiving defines how a person implements the information he or she has processed. Judging means that a person organizes all his life events and acts strictly according to his plans. Perceiving means that he or she is inclined to improvise and seek alternatives.
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British Tories pledge to stop creationism in school
by cofty instick pins in my eyeballs or vote conservative?
its a difficult dilemma.
however with a general election on the horizon michael gove the shadow education secretary has just gone and added to my angst.
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cofty
When a reptile like Dawkins can apply pressure to prevent Richard Milton from publishing a criticism of Darwinism, you already have a problem with academic freedom. - metatron
Do you have some background on this please.
Dawkins a "reptile"? That's foolish. You may disagree with his atheism but as a biologist he is outstanding. How much of his work have you read?
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ex bethelite experiences
by escape-artist inhello i used to serve at wallkill bethel.
i lived in the c building, i remember doing my watchman asignments with the little divice that you use to scan the areas you are supposed to reach.
at this time the construction was not complete in the printery and areas next to the main lobby.
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cofty
but my asignment was far from perfect because there were personality problems and racial tension, this confused me because i never had racial issues in the world.....and that was suposed to be the house of god.
That's really interesting, its news to me. I would be interested to know more about that
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British Tories pledge to stop creationism in school
by cofty instick pins in my eyeballs or vote conservative?
its a difficult dilemma.
however with a general election on the horizon michael gove the shadow education secretary has just gone and added to my angst.
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cofty
metatron did you read my post 202 above?
the Bible says clearly that homosexual activity is against God's design. I would indicate that to young folk
All of us who were born-in to the borg were indoctrinated as children. How can you not care about what schools teach the next generation?
Dealing with big questions like the economy and dealing with bad teaching is not an either/or question. A govt ought to be able to find time to do both.
Lets beat down fundies of every ilk, bring it on!