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Who Are The Seed Of Satan The Devil?
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{2 corinthians 4:3,4 nlt}.

" {1 corinthians 1:10 niv}.

if a "true religion" exists, then it would probably have to be one or a few faith groups within one of the 10,000 religions.
wannabe

Who are the seed of satan the devil?
We can readily see from Pauls words in Corinthians, that satan the devil is god of this World, who blinds the minds of those who don't believe that the Christ, now, and since the first Century, holds the preeminent position over every Religious Leader on this earth. Try to tell them that they simply will not believe you, in spite of all efforts to convince them. Paul in Corinthians explained why that seemingly blind condition existed. Note now, his words: {Ephesians 1:17-23} {Philippians 2:5-11} {Matthew 28:18-20}
"If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. {2 Corinthians 4:3,4 NLT}
Why would such a condition as this exist, even among this Worlds Christian's? John will partially explain why that condition exists:
19 "We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one." {1 John 5:19 NLT}
This of course is the result of satan being god of this World being god of this World he controls everthing. The greedy Political Empire, the greedy Commercial Empire, and the even greedier Religious Empire. His Religious Wife-Like Organization, John pictures as sitting upon a Scarlet Colored Wild Beast who satan uses to make the earth drunk with her spiritual fornication. She herself is drunk with the Blood of the Holy Ones and the Witnesses of Jesus. John describes her as the Mother of the Harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth. This Mother of the Harlots is satan's entire World-Wide, divided Religious Empire, who he uses to mislead the entire inhabited earth. This Scarlet Colored Wild Beast with seven heads and Ten Horns, is satan's entire Political Empire in their continuing forms, from Egypt, right down to the British American World Powers of today; the last ones with the Ten Horns in association with them. Foretold by Daniel the Prophet. {Daniel 7:7,19} The most powerful Military Machine to ever brace this earth. This is the Eight King John foretold who would spring from the seven. The one to go off into destruction at the hands of the Lamb of God. - Daniel 8:23-25 Revelation 17:11 with Daniel 7:8 - Notice in Daniel 7:8 one little Horn in among the Ten- Three are pulled out by the roots to make room for this little Horn, bringing the Ten Horns to Seven. That is where John foretold this eighth King would spring from. He said: ... But springs from the seven - I`ll drop that here! I`m getting off track. This Eighth King is a study I`ve done, consisting of 38 pages, so you`ll understand why I want to drop it now. Now! With this idea of being misled, by satan's Religious Woman! Consider the following excerpts taken from some research on the Internet on the many varied Religions we have now on this earth, keeping in mind Pauls following words:
10 "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." {1 Corinthians 1:10 NIV}
33"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints," {1 Corinthians 14:33 NIV}
With a body of united people, perfectly united in mind and thought, in total agreeance in every Congregation, no disorder among them what-so-ever, but peaceful law abiding citizense; would you expect to find among them, what is the reality all over this World now? Consider what we do have right now:
"Probably the one area where religions differ the most is over the nature of deity. Various groups teach Agnosticism, Animism, Atheism, Strong Atheism, Deism, Duotheism, Henotheism, Monism, Monotheism, Panentheism, Pantheism, Polytheism, the Trinity, and probably some others that we have missed."
"To our knowledge, no two religions teach the same message or expect the same practices from their followers. One would be hard pressed to find two faith groups within the same religion which have identical teachings and practices. If a "true religion" exists, then it would probably have to be one or a few faith groups within one of the 10,000 religions. All of the other religions and faith groups would be in error."
What you have just read, if you have read it at all, is a description of a World under satan's power Blinded, and Misled by his Wife-Like Prostitute Wife; "BABYLON THE GREAT! THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOT'S, AND DISGUSTING THINGS OF THIS EARTH!"
A Question! Did the Son of God while he walked this earth, himself form 10,000 seperate divided Religions, all at odds with one another? What kind of Religion did he form, that we can expect to find now? Will we find them among the divided satanic Religions of this World today? I hardly think you'd find the ones so described in the following among satan's followers at all.
20 "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." 21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." {John 4:20-24 NIV}
These ones of course would be the true seed of the Heavenly Woman! Those that are the Chosen Ones! How would satan`s Woman feel towards these ones Jehovah chooses out of this World? How does satan feel about them? Where are they now? - As to where they are. We don't know! But Jesus and the Angels will, evidenced by the following:
29"Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." {Matthew 24:29-31 NIV}
All we do know is, they are right now scattered to the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Be assured though, they are not among any of the Religions of this World for certain sure. These are the Chosen Ones, the true Seed of Jehovah's Heavenly Woman, who would never be misled by satan to join in with his brand of false devil worship. It is not possible to mislead these ones. {Matthew 24:24}
satan is at War with these and has been ever since the Garden of Eden. When Jehovah first foretold the hatred that would exist between the two Seeds at Genesis 3:15. Right up until the installation of God's Kingdom that war will be going on, as foretold it would. {Revelation 12:4,13,17}
satan has a vile hatred for these ones, as would his Religious Wife, and all of her adherents. No more than you can get satan to listen to the truth of the Bible; that is equally true of his Wife-Like Religious Organization and her followers. While making profession they are all Christian, nothing could be further from the Truth, because speak to them about the true Message of the Bible, and like their Father the devil, they become incensed with rage, and like satan cannot stand to listen to it.
9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because YOU are my followers." {Matthew 24:NLT}
There was a similar scenario in the first Century. Those early Jews believed they were the one true way of worship , as Religious Christendom does today; but they got the shock of their lives, when the words of Jesus came true about the destruction of their City and Temple. When it was all over, not a stone was left upon a stone, and not thrown down. Their House of Worship was History. Over one Million of them dead. As Jesus had foretold, General Titus leading the Roman Army ripped up Ten Miles of Forest land and built a Wall all around Jerusalem with pointed stakes exactly as Jesus had predicted. It all came true! In minute detail. {Luke 19:41-44} {Matthew 24:2}
17 "For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News?"{1 Peter 4:17 NLT}
Peter was here making reference to what came on the house of God in 70AD by the destruction General Titus brought on their City and pointed to what's ahead for all of us now. "What terrible fate," awaits those Paul described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5? Paul put it right on our doorstep, and on the doorstep of Religious Christendom:
1 "You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!" {2 Timothy 3:1-5 N LT}
An exact description of all the people of this World today, Religious or otherwise. For Religious Christendom, it's only a facade. An Act! Those Paul said, to stay away from.
This Mother of the Harlots is held responsible for heavy Blood-Guilt, as can be seen by John's Revelation, to follow:
24"In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
and of all who have been killed on the earth." {Revelation 18:24 NIV}
Now the words Jesus spoke to those early Jews, apply to Religious Christendom with equal force. Those words were as follows:
33`Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna? 34`Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify, and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city; 35that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar: 36 verily I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. Matthew 23:33-36 YLT
Jesus was here telling them that there was no way they could escape that judgment, which they didn`t. Neither will Religious Christendom escape that judgment. Certainly if it all came true upon Jehovah`s own Throne City, and his own Temple of worship, it will without fail come true upon Religious Christendom as well. They were, are, as those early Jews were "Serpents!" "Offspring of vipers!" The seed of satan the devil. {Ezekiel 33:33}
Just to add to that seed, I supply the following:
"Jehovah's Witnesses is a
restorationist, [1] millenarianHYPERLINK \l "cite_note-1"[2]ChristianHYPERLINK \l "cite_note-2"[3] denomination. [4]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-4"[5] The religion reports worldwide membership of over 7 million adherents involved in evangelism; [6] they report convention attendance of over 12 million, and annual attendance of 17 Million. Wannabe.
In Matthew 24- Mark 13 - Luke 21 he foretold the complete end of our system of things, and just as surely as it all came true on Jerusalem, Jehovah's Throne City, you can bet all you've got it will come true too for this foretold time of World Destruction on Religious Christendom. A City that was not the Throne of Jehovah! Nor could it ever be! It doesn't stand a snow-balls chance in a blast -furnace of survival.
Notice the Words of the Apostle Peter on this final judgment ahead of all of us now:
Just prior to the Christ's final arrival, Religious Christendom, will come right out into the open and show their true colors, turning on in violent hatred, Jehovah's Chosen ones. The seed of his Heavenly Woman. Jesus foretold how bad conditions would be at that time, for all of the Chosen Ones. Where abuse upon abuse will be heaped upon them by this World's so-called Christian's, in a final culmination of the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 where those days had to be cut short to save their lives, because of how serious those days would be: Jesus will tell you that:
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Who Are The Seed Of Satan The Devil?
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
{2 corinthians 4:3,4 nlt}.

" {1 corinthians 1:10 niv}.

if a "true religion" exists, then it would probably have to be one or a few faith groups within one of the 10,000 religions.
wannabe

Who are the seed of satan the devil?
We can readily see from Pauls words in Corinthians, that satan the devil is god of this World, who blinds the minds of those who don't believe that the Christ, now, and since the first Century, holds the preeminent position over every Religious Leader on this earth. Try to tell them that they simply will not believe you, in spite of all efforts to convince them. Paul in Corinthians explained why that seemingly blind condition existed. Note now, his words: {Ephesians 1:17-23} {Philippians 2:5-11} {Matthew 28:18-20}
"If the Good News we preach is hidden behind a veil, it is hidden only from people who are perishing. 4 Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God. {2 Corinthians 4:3,4 NLT}
Why would such a condition as this exist, even among this Worlds Christian's? John will partially explain why that condition exists:
19 "We know that we are children of God and that the world around us is under the control of the evil one." {1 John 5:19 NLT}
This of course is the result of satan being god of this World being god of this World he controls everthing. The greedy Political Empire, the greedy Commercial Empire, and the even greedier Religious Empire. His Religious Wife-Like Organization, John pictures as sitting upon a Scarlet Colored Wild Beast who satan uses to make the earth drunk with her spiritual fornication. She herself is drunk with the Blood of the Holy Ones and the Witnesses of Jesus. John describes her as the Mother of the Harlots and of the disgusting things of the earth. This Mother of the Harlots is satan's entire World-Wide, divided Religious Empire, who he uses to mislead the entire inhabited earth. This Scarlet Colored Wild Beast with seven heads and Ten Horns, is satan's entire Political Empire in their continuing forms, from Egypt, right down to the British American World Powers of today; the last ones with the Ten Horns in association with them. Foretold by Daniel the Prophet. {Daniel 7:7,19} The most powerful Military Machine to ever brace this earth. This is the Eight King John foretold who would spring from the seven. The one to go off into destruction at the hands of the Lamb of God. - Daniel 8:23-25 Revelation 17:11 with Daniel 7:8 - Notice in Daniel 7:8 one little Horn in among the Ten- Three are pulled out by the roots to make room for this little Horn, bringing the Ten Horns to Seven. That is where John foretold this eighth King would spring from. He said: ... But springs from the seven - I`ll drop that here! I`m getting off track. This Eighth King is a study I`ve done, consisting of 38 pages, so you`ll understand why I want to drop it now. Now! With this idea of being misled, by satan's Religious Woman! Consider the following excerpts taken from some research on the Internet on the many varied Religions we have now on this earth, keeping in mind Pauls following words:
10 "I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought." {1 Corinthians 1:10 NIV}
33"For God is not a God of disorder but of peace. As in all the congregations of the saints," {1 Corinthians 14:33 NIV}
With a body of united people, perfectly united in mind and thought, in total agreeance in every Congregation, no disorder among them what-so-ever, but peaceful law abiding citizense; would you expect to find among them, what is the reality all over this World now? Consider what we do have right now:
"Probably the one area where religions differ the most is over the nature of deity. Various groups teach Agnosticism, Animism, Atheism, Strong Atheism, Deism, Duotheism, Henotheism, Monism, Monotheism, Panentheism, Pantheism, Polytheism, the Trinity, and probably some others that we have missed."
"To our knowledge, no two religions teach the same message or expect the same practices from their followers. One would be hard pressed to find two faith groups within the same religion which have identical teachings and practices. If a "true religion" exists, then it would probably have to be one or a few faith groups within one of the 10,000 religions. All of the other religions and faith groups would be in error."
What you have just read, if you have read it at all, is a description of a World under satan's power Blinded, and Misled by his Wife-Like Prostitute Wife; "BABYLON THE GREAT! THE MOTHER OF THE HARLOT'S, AND DISGUSTING THINGS OF THIS EARTH!"
A Question! Did the Son of God while he walked this earth, himself form 10,000 seperate divided Religions, all at odds with one another? What kind of Religion did he form, that we can expect to find now? Will we find them among the divided satanic Religions of this World today? I hardly think you'd find the ones so described in the following among satan's followers at all.
20 "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you Jews claim that the place where we must worship is in Jerusalem." 21Jesus declared, "Believe me, woman, a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem. 22You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." {John 4:20-24 NIV}
These ones of course would be the true seed of the Heavenly Woman! Those that are the Chosen Ones! How would satan`s Woman feel towards these ones Jehovah chooses out of this World? How does satan feel about them? Where are they now? - As to where they are. We don't know! But Jesus and the Angels will, evidenced by the following:
29"Immediately after the distress of those days " 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' 30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." {Matthew 24:29-31 NIV}
All we do know is, they are right now scattered to the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Be assured though, they are not among any of the Religions of this World for certain sure. These are the Chosen Ones, the true Seed of Jehovah's Heavenly Woman, who would never be misled by satan to join in with his brand of false devil worship. It is not possible to mislead these ones. {Matthew 24:24}
satan is at War with these and has been ever since the Garden of Eden. When Jehovah first foretold the hatred that would exist between the two Seeds at Genesis 3:15. Right up until the installation of God's Kingdom that war will be going on, as foretold it would. {Revelation 12:4,13,17}
satan has a vile hatred for these ones, as would his Religious Wife, and all of her adherents. No more than you can get satan to listen to the truth of the Bible; that is equally true of his Wife-Like Religious Organization and her followers. While making profession they are all Christian, nothing could be further from the Truth, because speak to them about the true Message of the Bible, and like their Father the devil, they become incensed with rage, and like satan cannot stand to listen to it.
9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because YOU are my followers." {Matthew 24:NLT}
There was a similar scenario in the first Century. Those early Jews believed they were the one true way of worship , as Religious Christendom does today; but they got the shock of their lives, when the words of Jesus came true about the destruction of their City and Temple. When it was all over, not a stone was left upon a stone, and not thrown down. Their House of Worship was History. Over one Million of them dead. As Jesus had foretold, General Titus leading the Roman Army ripped up Ten Miles of Forest land and built a Wall all around Jerusalem with pointed stakes exactly as Jesus had predicted. It all came true! In minute detail. {Luke 19:41-44} {Matthew 24:2}
17 "For the time has come for judgment, and it must begin with God’s household. And if judgment begins with us, what terrible fate awaits those who have never obeyed God’s Good News?"{1 Peter 4:17 NLT}
Peter was here making reference to what came on the house of God in 70AD by the destruction General Titus brought on their City and pointed to what's ahead for all of us now. "What terrible fate," awaits those Paul described at 2 Timothy 3:1-5? Paul put it right on our doorstep, and on the doorstep of Religious Christendom:
1 "You should know this, Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. 2 For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothing sacred. 3 They will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control. They will be cruel and hate what is good. 4 They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride, and love pleasure rather than God. 5 They will act religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. Stay away from people like that!" {2 Timothy 3:1-5 N LT}
An exact description of all the people of this World today, Religious or otherwise. For Religious Christendom, it's only a facade. An Act! Those Paul said, to stay away from.
This Mother of the Harlots is held responsible for heavy Blood-Guilt, as can be seen by John's Revelation, to follow:
24"In her was found the blood of prophets and of the saints,
and of all who have been killed on the earth." {Revelation 18:24 NIV}
Now the words Jesus spoke to those early Jews, apply to Religious Christendom with equal force. Those words were as follows:
33`Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna? 34`Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify, and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city; 35that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar: 36 verily I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation. Matthew 23:33-36 YLT
Jesus was here telling them that there was no way they could escape that judgment, which they didn`t. Neither will Religious Christendom escape that judgment. Certainly if it all came true upon Jehovah`s own Throne City, and his own Temple of worship, it will without fail come true upon Religious Christendom as well. They were, are, as those early Jews were "Serpents!" "Offspring of vipers!" The seed of satan the devil. {Ezekiel 33:33}
Just to add to that seed, I supply the following:
"Jehovah's Witnesses is a
restorationist, [1] millenarianHYPERLINK \l "cite_note-1"[2]ChristianHYPERLINK \l "cite_note-2"[3] denomination. [4]HYPERLINK \l "cite_note-4"[5] The religion reports worldwide membership of over 7 million adherents involved in evangelism; [6] they report convention attendance of over 12 million, and annual attendance of 17 Million. Wannabe.
In Matthew 24- Mark 13 - Luke 21 he foretold the complete end of our system of things, and just as surely as it all came true on Jerusalem, Jehovah's Throne City, you can bet all you've got it will come true too for this foretold time of World Destruction on Religious Christendom. A City that was not the Throne of Jehovah! Nor could it ever be! It doesn't stand a snow-balls chance in a blast -furnace of survival.
Notice the Words of the Apostle Peter on this final judgment ahead of all of us now:
Just prior to the Christ's final arrival, Religious Christendom, will come right out into the open and show their true colors, turning on in violent hatred, Jehovah's Chosen ones. The seed of his Heavenly Woman. Jesus foretold how bad conditions would be at that time, for all of the Chosen Ones. Where abuse upon abuse will be heaped upon them by this World's so-called Christian's, in a final culmination of the prophecy in Genesis 3:15 where those days had to be cut short to save their lives, because of how serious those days would be: Jesus will tell you that:
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Are the Ten Commandments still in force?
by wannabe in
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2. beliefs
are the ten commandments still in force?.

many today believe they should still follow the ten commandments.

but are they correct in believing that?.
wannabe

Are the Ten Commandments still in force?
Many today believe they should still follow the Ten Commandments. But are they correct in believing that?
Were the Gentile Nations even under the old Law Covenant to begin with? Perhaps these ones, are not aware that the Gentile Nations were not even considered under the old Law. Then too, there were not only Ten Commandments; there were over 600 Laws embodied within the Ten. Paul indicated that if anyone even applied one of those Laws he was under obligation to perform the entire Law; when not even the Jews under it, could do that.
3"Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law." {Galatians 5:3 NIV}
4 "For if you are trying to make yourselves right with God by keeping the law, you have been cut off from Christ! You have fallen away from God’s grace." {Galatians 5:4 NLT}
Even more, apply even one of those Laws, you are cut off from Christ. Fallen away from God's Grace. Even so! Why would someone who was never under that Law to begin with, even want to risk, being cut off from the Christ? Certainly the Gentile Nations were never under that Old Law. Why risk that, that being the case? Perhaps because of Bible ignorance? They don't know they were never under that old Law? Which of course they were not. That is fully supported by the Bible. As I'll show:
1"Listen to this message which I, the Lord, have spoken against you Israelites, against your whole family that I brought out of Egypt. 2 Out of all the families on earth, I have known no one else but you.That is why I am going to punish you for all your sins. 3 Do two people ever walk together without meeting first?" {Amos 3:1-3 GWT} Obviously he never met with other Nations.
19 "He has revealed his word to Jacob, his laws and decrees to Israel. He has done this for no other nation; they do not know his laws. Praise the LORD."{Psalm 147:19,20 NIV}
1"What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision Much in every way! First of all, they have been entrusted with the very words of God." {Romans 3:1,2 NIV}
At 2 Corinthians 13:1 paul tells us to establish every matter at the mouth of two or three witnesses; and I've supplied my three witnesses telling you that the Gentile Nations were never under that Old Law not in the first Century, not now either. The Gentile Nations were taken into the New Covenant, so that is the only Law to be applied now. Any application of that Old Law now, is a flat-out rejection of the New Covenant established on the Blood of the Christ. In point of fact a rejection of the Christ, and his sacrifice. The Nations were not considered until after the ascension of the Christ. To follow:
18" And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit: 20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." {Matthew 28:18-20 ASV}
Some might be wondering just how do we learn these New Laws under the New Covenant? Note the words of Jesus. The fact that he has all authority ... on earth... Recall after he ascended he was given the promised Holy Spirit. That Holy Spirit is the true teaching instrument, by which he does all of the teaching of the New Covenant, as a result, consider Jeremiah's words on this:
31 "Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: 34 and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more." {Jeremiah 31:31-34 ASV} Of course the Israel now is spiritual Israel made up of both Jews and Gentiles together. }Galations 6:16} {Romans 2:29}
A consideration of the following scriptures will show you how Jesus gets all of his teaching done now, and remember he is in control of the Holy Spirit now, since his ascension. {Acts 2:33} {John 14:26;15:26,27;16:13} {1John 2:27} {Galatians 1:11,12} {Ephesians 3:3} {Revelation 1:1,2} "{REVELATIONS}"
Back up to Matthew 28:18-20} An interesting side-point here in case you didn't notice it yourself. Jesus words: "I am with you always, even unto the end of the World." Think the Governing Bodies idea about the Christ's invisible presence being in 1914 - What do those words of Jesus do to that idea? Wannabeabout
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Why would the Followers of Jesus be hated?
by wannabe in
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why would the followers of jesus be hated?.

should we find it strange, that as followers of jesus, we will be hated to the extreme jesus here foretold in these following words?

to the point of being arrested, persecuted, and killed?.
wannabe

Why would the Followers of Jesus be hated?
Should we find it strange, that as followers of Jesus, we will be hated to the extreme Jesus here foretold in these following words? To the point of being arrested, persecuted, and killed?
These following words of Jesus, do not exactly paint the nicest of scenarios for Christian's today do they? In fact, they are quite frightening, are they not?
9 "Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers." {Matthew 24:9 NLT}
Can you visualize that hatred? The entire World manifesting this hatred toward you, because you are trying to lead a clean Christian Christ-Like life? It's a clear contradiction in terms isn't it? One would suppose the World would want to see people that concerned themselves about changing their conduct and actions, for their self betterment, and the consideration of others around them, wouldn't you? Why would that bother the people of this World so much, they would resort to persecution and murder to try and hinder you from being a Christian? Why would a true Christian be hated so intensley, by the people of this World, who for the most part profess to be Christian's themselves? Obviously Jesus knew the answer to that, as we see:
18 "If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me before it hated you." {John 15:18 HCSB}
This hatred didn't just stop with Jesus, it went much deeper than just hatred for Jesus; the World hated his Father as well. Keep this in mind. All the while professing to being Christian's themselves.
24 "If I had not done the works among them that no one else has done, they would not have sin. Now they have seen and hated both Me and My Father." {John 15:24 HCSB} Jesus explains why the hatred next:
7 "The people of this world cannot hate you. They hate me, because I tell them that they do evil things." {John 7:7 CEV}
6"If we say we are his, we must follow the example of Christ." {1 John 2:6 CEV} Of course it follows, that any true Christian today would naturally follow the example set by the Christ, and at every opportunity expose the evil things this world involves themselves in. Just as the Christ would have. This example when followed will bring on them the Worlds persecution as foretold by Paul:
12 "In fact, all those who want to live a Godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted." {2 Timothy 3:12 HCSB}
4"I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it." {John 17:14-16 NIV}
These true Christian's the World hates so intensely, have, as its says, been given the word, and John points out that they are no part of this World. They stand aloof from it. For very good reason. That very good reason was drawn out by Luke at Luke 4:5-8:
5"The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours." 8Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only"{Luke 4:5-8 NIV} At Matthew 4:8-10 Jesus set the example for all true Christian's today, as we note:
"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." 10Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only." {Matthew 4:8-10 NIV}
And the dragon stood on the shore of the sea. And I saw a beast coming out of the sea. He had ten horns and seven heads, with ten crowns on his horns, and on each head a blasphemous name. 2The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth like that of a lion. The dragon {satan} gave to the beast his power and throne and great authority. 3One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed. The whole world was astonished and followed the beast." {Revelation 13:1-3 NIV} We see in Matthew John's and Lukes account, satan is the unseen power behind all the World Governments that he was offering to Jesus. One vote for any one of them would constitute bowing down in worship to satan the devil. Come election season a true Christian would parrot the words of Jesus: "Get away satan!" That is the reason a true Christian is 'no part of the World,' just as the Master was 'no part of the World.' Where satan is concerned, no part, means no part. Right down until today the World's Christian's haven't gotten the sense of that. Every election time, you'll find them all out there bowing down and giving satan his one act of worship. While making profession they are Christian's. Did you notice?satan has sucked in the entire World? All end up followers of the Beast, while professing to be Christian's. I'm thinking that's why Paul said: "The things which the Nation Sacrifice, they Sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to be sharers with the demons." {1 Corinthians 10:20}
I'm thinking too, it will not be too difficult in the time of the end to tell the difference between those that Worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth, and those who do not! {John 4:21-24} One class will have intense hatred for the other. Hmmm! Wonder which class is which? Wannabe
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Identifying the Faithful Slave as the Christ!
by wannabe in
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45"who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?

god has put his wise servant, in charge of all the other servants in his household.

2he was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as moses was faithful in all god's house.
wannabe

Identifying the Faithful Slave as the Christ!
The best way to identify the Faithful Slave is to examine very carefully what is stated at Matthew 24:45. To try to use the New World Translation to do that would be a mistake, Because in all sincerity I believe that Translation is carefully worded to keep members of the rank and file off track, because reading their rendering does not stimulate the thinking processes; while every other Bible Translation does. It is my belief that is done purposely to hide the real truth of the matter. At the end of this article I will insert their wording to show you what I mean. You will easily see what I'm driving at when you read it for yourself.
Now to cite Matthew 24:45 --
45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time?" {Matthew 24:45 NIV}
First! I want you to notice, we have a wise servant! We have a Master! Then, there are other servants in the household, that the Master puts the wise servant in charge of. This wise servant gives the other servants their food at the proper time. Notice something else. The expression, "In the Household." Ask yourself, Whose Household? Let me clear that up now:
19"Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household" {Ephesians 2:19 NIV}
15 "if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God's household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth." {1 Timothy 3:15 NIV}
So! The Household in this instance belongs to God, not Jesus. God has put his wise servant, in charge of all the other servants in his household. So the Master has to be Jehovah. Follow? So that means this wise servant is appointed over God's house. Now all we must do us find out just who it is that is appointed over the house of God, and just who, or what, constitutes this house.
1"Therefore, holy brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, the apostle and high priest whom we confess. 2He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God's house. 3Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5Moses was faithful as a servant in all God's house, testifying to what would be said in the future. 6 But Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast." {Hebrews 3:1-6 NIV}
Do you have your eyes fixed on Jesus? He was 'what would be in the future.' 'Worthy of greater honor than Moses!' Why? Because he was, like Moses, the one appointed over God's house, all the rest of the true anointed class, were the house itself. "We are the House!" Paul said! Now you tell me just who the Faithful Slave is?
24 "A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his teacher, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more them of his household! 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known." {Matthew 10:24-26 ASV} Good point to remember in this instance.
Jesus is here telling us that he is the Master or Head of God's household, appointed over God's Household, as such the Faithful Slave responsible for providing the food at the proper time to all other members, or servants in the household. This creates one awful problem. The Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses tell us that they were appointed to the office of the Faithful Slave in the year 1919, at the same time tell us they are all of the anointed class as well. So, at one and the same time, they are appointed over the house and they are the house itself??? I thought Paul said: "We are the House!" In other words all the anointed class constituted the house, but none of the original anointed class were appointed over the house. They were the house, according to Paul. You got to know, their answer to this ones got to be a beaut.
Tell me honestly! By reading this next scripture from the New World Translation, would you have been influenced to do an examination the like of which we just did? Nothing said about any ``household.`` We have instead, "Over his domestics."
I checked out eighteen different Bible Translations, and all of them worded it as the NIV version does.
45 "Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time? 46 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. 47 Truly I say to YOU, He will appoint him over all his belongings."{Matthew 254:45 NWT}
Put Household, where they insert the word domestics, for me at least, the entire picture changes. You would never say to yourself, "Whose Household is in question here?" The Governing Body is under the assumption that the Master is Jesus, who does the appointing of this Fathful Slave. That viewpoint gives them license to take the position of the Faithful Slave to themselves. But view the parable as meant to be viewed, putting Jehovah in the seat of the Master,then the slave he sent has to be his Son, who, as we know, was the one who taught his Fathers word to all of the anointed class.{Revelation 22:6} {John 7:16;15:15} Then too, it has to be considered the one appointed over all things was, is, Jesus. The Son through whom Jehovah has spoken to all of us: Hebrews 1:1,2 - John 3:35;13:3 I'm much afraid the Governing Body is going to lose their self-chosen seat. Reason being, the Bible Identyfies Jesus as the Faithful Slave. Not the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses, so-called.Wannabe
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Additiion to Christ's invisible presence!
by wannabe in
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addition to christ's invisible presence!.

" {john 17:4 esv}.

i have conquered the world.
wannabe

Addition to Christ's Invisible Presence!
Concerning the invisible presence of the Christ, occurring as the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society teaches in the year 1914 and establishing that belief on the seven time prophecy of of Daniel 4:16 as they do; I find there's very great reason to doubt the validity of their belief, and seriously doubt as well that prophecy even pointed to the appointed times of the Nations as they believe it to be. I do agree their calculations are correct, but I don't believe those times ended anything, but rather marked the beginning of something. A subject for another time.
Getting back to the presence of Christ. We know, as I have cited, that Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there, "I am with them." That would apply to our own time period as well. Consider the scripture first:
20 "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." {Matthew 18:23 NIV} According to that, he'd be with us even was we to be born before 1914, and certainly thereafter, because he had stated: "I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." {Matthew 28:18-20 NIV}
Even back in the first Century he was telling them he was invisibly present, although not directly stating that; but, rather, indirectly. How could he be with anyone if he wasn't invisibly present? How could he be there until the end of the age without being invisibly present?
Now! Here's something to ponder over! We know as Jehovah sits in the invisible Heavenly Spirit Realm on his Throne, naturally he cannot be seen with the naked eye. But we know he's always invisibly present with us, don't we? Agreed?
We know that Jesus Finished the work his Father had given him to do. We know too, he had conquered the World.
4 "I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do." {John 17:4 ESV}
33 "I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. Be courageous! I have conquered the world." {John 16:33 HCSB}
We know also because of that he was exalted to his Fathers right hand.
33 "Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." {Acts 2:33 ESV}
Because of doing all of that Jesus took his seat on his Fathers Throne on his right hand, in the first Century. Now he was seated beside, the invisible God I spoke of, who is always present with us even though unseen. Jesus tell us about his exaltation:
21"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." {Revelation 3:21 ESV}
We know what Jesus had to do, to conquer the World. That's really no big secret is it? Then he tells us anyone else that conquers will sit down with him on his Throne just as he sat down with his Father on his Throne. We also know that when the rest of the 144,000 conquer they will sit down with Jesus on his Throne and when they do they are Crowned Ruling King Priests with the Christ. So it follows that when Jesus took his seat on his Fathers Throne at his Fathers right hand in the first Century, he was right then a Crowned King. Invisibly present just like his Father. Not an Active ruling King! Just holding now the Crown. That makes Jesus invisibly present ever since the first Century when he ascended back to his Father's right hand.
That's why he could say, I am with you all the days even until the end of the age. Or, when two or three are gathered together in my name there I am in their midst.
As far as exercising his ruling Authority as King of God's Kingdom that will not come until he actually arrives in Kingdom power. Up until then he still holds the Crown. It yet remains for him to become an active ruling King, exercising his Authority as such. As described by the Apostle John:
10"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down." {Revelation 12:10 NIV}\
So! It's as I said! He already held the Crown! It was needed only to become an Active Ruling King, by exercising that Authority, to the limit. Which he does at Armageddon! The following three scriptures put that Crown on the head of Jesus. {Ephesians 1:19-23} {Philippians 2:5-11} {Matthew 28:18} Unless of course you know of someone higher in Power and Authority than the Christ, who we should be bending our knees to in worship. Of course the Pope will tell you he is. The Governing Body of the Watchtower Society will tell you they are. Religious Christendom will tell you they are! Oh My! Decisions- decisions- decisions- What would the Christ tell them all? Might it sound something like this? "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness! I NEVER KNEW YOU!" That must be the reason, none of them knew him!
If Jehovah can sit on his Heavenly Throne in the Invisible Spirit Realm, and be present yet unseen to the naked eye, then the Christ too, since his ascension to his right hand, and sitting on the same Throne, as he is, with his Father, at his right hand, would himself also be invisibly present from the time he ascended in the first Century. Wiggle and twist all you want, the Christ has been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first Century. Now, if that doesn't blow the Governing Bodies reasoning clear out of the Ball-Park; then I don't know what it would take to do it! I'm open to suggestions, if you really feel you can supply the answer to that; by all means go right to it.
Just omit the snide innuendo's, slurs insults, nasty sarcastic remarks. Not Wanted! Not Needed! Not Necessary! Wannabe
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Additiion to Christ's invisible presence!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
addition to christ's invisible presence!.

" {john 17:4 esv}.

i have conquered the world.
wannabe

Addition to Christ's Invisible Presence!
Concerning the invisible presence of the Christ, occurring as the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society teaches in the year 1914 and establishing that belief on the seven time prophecy of of Daniel 4:16 as they do; I find there's very great reason to doubt the validity of their belief, and seriously doubt as well that prophecy even pointed to the appointed times of the Nations as they believe it to be. I do agree their calculations are correct, but I don't believe those times ended anything, but rather marked the beginning of something. A subject for another time.
Getting back to the presence of Christ. We know, as I have cited, that Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there, "I am with them." That would apply to our own time period as well. Consider the scripture first:
20 "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." {Matthew 18:23 NIV} According to that, he'd be with us even was we to be born before 1914, and certainly thereafter, because he had stated: "I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." {Matthew 28:18-20 NIV}
Even back in the first Century he was telling them he was invisibly present, although not directly stating that; but, rather, indirectly. How could he be with anyone if he wasn't invisibly present? How could he be there until the end of the age without being invisibly present?
Now! Here's something to ponder over! We know as Jehovah sits in the invisible Heavenly Spirit Realm on his Throne, naturally he cannot be seen with the naked eye. But we know he's always invisibly present with us, don't we? Agreed?
We know that Jesus Finished the work his Father had given him to do. We know too, he had conquered the World.
4 "I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do." {John 17:4 ESV}
33 "I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. Be courageous! I have conquered the world." {John 16:33 HCSB}
We know also because of that he was exalted to his Fathers right hand.
33 "Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." {Acts 2:33 ESV}
Because of doing all of that Jesus took his seat on his Fathers Throne on his right hand, in the first Century. Now he was seated beside, the invisible God I spoke of, who is always present with us even though unseen. Jesus tell us about his exaltation:
21"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." {Revelation 3:21 ESV}
We know what Jesus had to do, to conquer the World. That's really no big secret is it? Then he tells us anyone else that conquers will sit down with him on his Throne just as he sat down with his Father on his Throne. We also know that when the rest of the 144,000 conquer they will sit down with Jesus on his Throne and when they do they are Crowned Ruling King Priests with the Christ. So it follows that when Jesus took his seat on his Fathers Throne at his Fathers right hand in the first Century, he was right then a Crowned King. Invisibly present just like his Father. Not an Active ruling King! Just holding now the Crown. That makes Jesus invisibly present ever since the first Century when he ascended back to his Father's right hand.
That's why he could say, I am with you all the days even until the end of the age. Or, when two or three are gathered together in my name there I am in their midst.
As far as exercising his ruling Authority as King of God's Kingdom that will not come until he actually arrives in Kingdom power. Up until then he still holds the Crown. It yet remains for him to become an active ruling King, exercising his Authority as such. As described by the Apostle John:
10"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down." {Revelation 12:10 NIV}\
So! It's as I said! He already held the Crown! It was needed only to become an Active Ruling King, by exercising that Authority, to the limit. Which he does at Armageddon! The following three scriptures put that Crown on the head of Jesus. {Ephesians 1:19-23} {Philippians 2:5-11} {Matthew 28:18} Unless of course you know of someone higher in Power and Authority than the Christ, who we should be bending our knees to in worship. Of course the Pope will tell you he is. The Governing Body of the Watchtower Society will tell you they are. Religious Christendom will tell you they are! Oh My! Decisions- decisions- decisions- What would the Christ tell them all? Might it sound something like this? "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness! I NEVER KNEW YOU!" That must be the reason, none of them knew him!
If Jehovah can sit on his Heavenly Throne in the Invisible Spirit Realm, and be present yet unseen to the naked eye, then the Christ too, since his ascension to his right hand, and sitting on the same Throne, as he is, with his Father, at his right hand, would himself also be invisibly present from the time he ascended in the first Century. Wiggle and twist all you want, the Christ has been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first Century. Now, if that doesn't blow the Governing Bodies reasoning clear out of the Ball-Park; then I don't know what it would take to do it! I'm open to suggestions, if you really feel you can supply the answer to that; by all means go right to it.
Just omit the snide innuendo's, slurs insults, nasty sarcastic remarks. Not Wanted! Not Needed! Not Necessary! Wannabe
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When was the Christ Invisibly Present?
by wannabe in
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" {john 14:6 niv}.

"conquered!

then he tells us, anyone else conquering would sit down on his throne just as he had conquered and sat down with his father on his throne.
wannabe

When was the Christ invisibly present?
There are a vast array of Churches scattered throughout the Realm of Religious Christendom. Most claiming to be the one true Religion. The Catholics look to the Pope's who set themselves up, as Almighty God on earth. The Vicar of Christ! Even going so far as to telling their flocks, that the Pope is supreme Judge over heaven and earth. Not to be left out is the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society. Who tells their flocks, that they represent God's visible organization on earth today. That, they, as a Body represent the Faithful Slave responsible for doling out the spiritual food at the proper time. That, they are, according to them, the anointed remnant. Their Watchtower Magazine is Jehovah's principle teaching instrument. "Listen to us," they'll tell you: "as though you were listening to the voice of God." We have, too, the Mormons, who, they as well, claim a Very high office for themselves. But replacing the Bible with their own uninspired, doctrines of demons. The Book of Mormon. Not too mention the Nation of Islam and their Quaran Bible. On and on it goes, too tiring to contemplate.
What none of them realise though is none of them hold any appointments to office what-so-ever. When I say none of them, I mean none of them. It's all inclusive. They all believe the way of approach to the Father is through their Organization. The real truth of the matter is, you cannot gain approach to the Father through any one of them! That is entirely impossible! Their Worship is in vain! An exercize in futility to end them all. Do they all believe the Christ was joking when he said the following:
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." {John 14:6 NIV}
I'm thinking its about time this World's Christian's, so called, opened wide their eyes, and learn whatthrough me means exactly. Is it that too difficult a statement to understand? Then as you do that learning, learn something about this next statement Jesus made:
4"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day." {John 6:44 NIV} No one is even getting near Jesus unless the Father draws him/her to his Son! So, approach to Jesus is in the hands of the Father! It is not in the hands of any Religious leader on this earth; and I don't care who that Religious Leader is. Paul will show you the reason for that:
5"For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" {1 Timothy 2:5 NIV},
Everyone understand what ONE means? It means, that there's only one way of approach to Jehovah. Not through any of Christensdom's great system of Religion. Not through the Pope's! Not through the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society. Not through any of them. You approach through the Christ, because Jehovah has drawn you to him or you simply do not approach at all. It will be Jehovah's Way, or the Broad Way. But You all, don't decide! Jehovah does! Only Jesus is the one who holds any authority now, and he holds ALL Authority. As he tells us next:
18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me." {Matthew 28:18NIV}
Jesus has not relegated that authority over to any Man on this earth; he gave his life to possess it. It is his, and only his!
What all of these self appointed false Prophets fail to realise, is the Christ, right now, and ever since the first Century, has been wearing his Crown, as a Crowned King. No one up until now, has even realised that. Why do I say that?
Jesus had finished the work his Father had given him to do, correct? He also had conquered the World. Key Point! "Conquered!" I'll supply scripture now.
4 "I have brought you glory on earth. I have finished the work you gave me to do." {John 17:4 NIRV}
33 "I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. Be courageous! I have conquered the world." {John 16:33 HCSB} Notice something now Jesus is saying:
21 "The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne.
Keeping in mind, he'd already conquered the World. Then he tells us, anyone else conquering would sit down on his Throne just as he had conquered and sat down with his Father on his Throne. So all of the 144,000 when they conquer will sit down as King Priests with Jesus on his Throne. That sitting down will make them all crowned Kings will it not? So, Jesus has been sitting down on his Fathers Throne ever since his ascension in the first Century. He, of necessity has to be a Crowned King. There's more to bolster this thought. Which I'll show you now:
"...at is the immeasurable greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to the working of his great might 20that he worked in Christ when he raised him from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and above every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. 22And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all." {Ephesians: 19-24 ESV}
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7but made himself nothing,taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and those under the earth,"{Philippians 2:5-10 ESV}
Remembering that Jesus holds all authority in heaven and on earth ever since the first Century, add to that what Paul reveals here about the lofty position now held by the Christ; and there's no way to get any higher than the Christ is now and since the first Century: Itemize it all: He's far above all rule and authority and power and dominion and above every name that is named not only in this age but in that to come; head over all things to the church. God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name. That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow in heaven and on earth.
To hold office that high, Jesus would have to be already wearing his crown, add to that, he's in possession of something none of the Religious leaders of Christendom would ever be allowed to possess. That is the true teaching instrument: the Holy Spirit. He alone now can teach the Bible. No one else on this earth can do that, so by ursurping the power and position of the Christ, the Religious Leaders not only rob themselves of knowledge of Bible, they also rob all of their flocks of knowledge that would save their lives if applied.
33 "Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." {Acts 2:33 ESV}
I would ask! How could any Man on this earth, be above, or even equal, the Superior Power and Position now held by the Christ; as he holds all 'Authority over Heaven and Earth,' seated as he is, in his exalted position at the 'right hand' of power, already crowned as King of God's Kingdom, since the first Century? Invisibly present since that time.
The Ride of the four horsemen would seem to support what I'm saying, because this symbolic ride is a depiction of the composite sign of the coming of Christ into Kingdom Power, given by Jesus at Matthew 24 Mark 13 Luke 21- Right at the beginning of this sign the Christ is pictured as wearing a crown; This ride began in the year 1914 with the outbreak of World War 1& 2 then the ensuing time of trouble ever since. This is a controled time period with the Christ pictured as leading these four Horsemen. This ride would end when the Christ employs the Bow he holds. Bringing this ride to a halt at Armageddon. All throughout that ride the Christ would be wearing his crown, which he was wearing right at the beginning of the composite sign. That sign is still going on right now; so he's riding with his crown on his head right at this moment in time.
1"I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. 3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. 5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!" 7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth."{Revelation 6:1-8 NIV}
We already know the Christ held all authority over heaven and earth, because just prior to his ascension he had told his Apostles he did have that all authority; so now it was only a matter of exercising that authority as an active ruling King of God's Kingdom. It remained for him now to stand up as Michael the Archangel and take that power and All Authority. Notice now this next scripture that will further enlighten us:
10"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down."{Revelation 12:10 NIV}
It is as I said! it remained only for him to exercise that All Authority, and that is done when God's Kingdom actually comes. As the preceding scripture shows.
As the Psalm shows us the Christ has been seated at his Fathers right hand ever since his ascension in the first Century, but he could not exercise his authority until these words of the Psalmist were fulfilled:
1 "The utterance of Jehovah to my Lord is: "Sit at my right hand
Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet." 2 The rod of your strength Jehovah will send out of Zion, [saying:] "Go subduing in the midst of your enemies." {Psalm 110:1,2 NWT}
When Jesus hears those words from his Father, he will stand up as ruling King of God's Kingdom. And exercise his All Authority, that he has held ever since the first Century. We await those words from the Father now.
"All Authority in Heaven and on earth," means exactly what it says. Jesus has held that All Authority ever since his ascension, and he's been sitting beside his Father on his Fathers Throne, because he conquered the world. That gave him his Crown! When his Followers conquer they too will receive their crowns. As did Jesus. So, Invisibly present in 1914? Hog wash! He's been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first Century. Wannabe
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Fine Christian Conduct!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
fine christian conduct!.

when they were doing this, actually practicing this christian love what kind of fruitage would be produced in their lives that would make them out standing among those around them in the world, and show they really were true christian's?.

love of god?
wannabe

Fine Christian Conduct!
Many today will identify themselves as Christian's, but when you closely examine their overall conduct, you find something appears to be missing; their Christianity is unspirited. It appears to be as the apostles James stated: "A body without Spirit." Of course James went on to say: "A body without Spirit is dead."
So much shame and disgrace, has been heaped upon this title Christian, one shudders at the mere thought of being identified as such in this World today, because even though this World's Christian's take that title to themselves, their conduct and actions over the years, belie their claim to being such, and show they have obviously missed seeing the truth of the Bible; because the way they comport themselves is certainly not the walk of the example set by Jesus, and his Apostles.
Just what did they say about how they walked?
"He that says he remains in union with him is under obligation himself also to go on walking just as that one walked." {1 John 2:6 NWT} So! It was no light matter! It was an absolute necessity to follow exactly in the footsteps of the Master. Who would know better than the early Apostles just how that walk was performed?
"For YOU yourselves know the way YOU ought to imitate us, because we did not behave disorderly among YOU 8 nor did we eat food from anyone free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to impose an expensive burden upon any one of YOU."2 Thessalonians 3:7 NWT}
To start with, we notice, the Apostles of Christ never road on the Backs of their flock for their means of support as do Christendom's Clergy. In fact he would condemn the Clergy of Christendom today, for their greedy attitudes in not wanting to work at Jobs with their hands like Paul did to earn their own living. The Apostles were examples for the flock, unlike Christendom's Clergy. Was they to be around in Pauls day, not wanting to work, they wouldn't eat. That's how seriously he took it. They wouldn't be riding on anyones back for sure.
"Not that we do not have authority, but in order that we might offer ourselves as an example to YOU to imitate us. 10 In fact, also, when we were with YOU, we used to give YOU this order: "If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat." {2 Thessalonians 3:9 NWT}
7 "For YOU yourselves know the way YOU ought to imitate us, because we did not behave disorderly among YOU 8 nor did we eat food from anyone free. To the contrary, by labor and toil night and day we were working so as not to impose an expensive burden upon any one of YOU." {2 THessalonians 3:7,8 NWT}
Quite a vast difference between the Apostles of Christ, and Christendom's Religious leaders wasn't there? No collection plates passed around by them. They had Christian Love for their Brothers, not the Money of their Brothers Pockets. Notice what Paul had to say about this Love, and how to display it:
"Therefore, become imitators of God, as beloved children, 2 and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved YOU and delivered himself up for YOU as an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling odor." {Ephesians 5:2 NWT} How did they display this Love for God, as beloved Children of God?
"By this we gain the knowledge that we are loving the children of God, when we are loving God and doing his commandments. 3 For this is what the love of God means, that we observe his commandments; and yet his commandments are not burdensome," {1 John 5:2,3 NWT}
They took their Christianity very seriously didn't they? It was no mere lip service with them. They would have known without doing, and closely observing God's Commandments it would be impossible to show the love Jehovah expected them to show.
What did Jesus have to say about this love for God and the Children of God? Or Neighbor?
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37 He said to him: "‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets." Matthew 22:36-40 NWT}
When they were doing this, actually practicing this Christian love what kind of fruitage would be produced in their lives that would make them out standing among those around them in the World, and show they really were true Christian's?
22 "On the other hand, the fruitage of the spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, 23 mildness, self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires." {Galatians 5:22-24 NWT} Notice the fruitage produced, by those who really were true Christian's and compare that with Religious Christendom.
By contrast what kind of fruitage would be produced by Religious Christendom being as they are a Body without Spirit? Practicing as they do an unspirited way of worship? Paul will show that:
But know this, that in the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, self-assuming, haughty, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, disloyal, 3 having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, without love of goodness, 4 betrayers, headstrong, puffed up [with pride], lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godly devotion but proving false to its power; and from these turn away." {2 Timothy 3:1-5 NWT}
It is in actuality Christendom's Christian's that make the times hard to deal with and very critical. Sometimes not just hard to deal with but absolutely impossible; because of their mere form of Godly devotion, that proves false to its power. Because of the satanic spirit that does guide and direct them, we see by the words of Paul just why our time period is so difficult to deal with, because the following works Paul mentions in the foregoing are all around us today, as a result of the failure of Religious Leaders of Christendom to impress upon their followers, the need for fine Christian conduct, and to shun like the plague the filthy pracices Paul mentions here:
19"The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God." {Galatians 5:19-21 NIV} Very good reason for following the counsel and direction of the Apostle James, and if anyone needs to follow this counsel Religious Christendom most certainly does:
21"Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you."{James 1:21 NIV} All Religious Christendom has to do, is what James told them, because there is a healing for their unrighteous condition by doing that accepting. It will save them, if they want saving, that is.
Obeying the Commandments of Jehovah is a necessity for showing proper love for him, and for the Children of God; Commandments such as the following:
17 "Therefore, I say this and testify in the Lord: You should no longer walk as the Gentiles walk, in the futility of their thoughts. 18 They are darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them and because of the hardness of their hearts. 19 They became callous and gave themselves over to promiscuity for the practice of every kind of impurity with a desire for more and more. 20 But that is not how you learned about the Messiah, 21 assuming you heard Him and were taught by Him, because the truth is in Jesus: 22 you took off your former way of life, the old man that is corrupted by deceitful desires; 23 you are being renewed in the spirit of your minds; 24 you put on the new man, the one created according to God's [likeness] in righteousness and purity of the truth."{Ephesians 4:17-24 HCSB}
1"THEREFORE, SINCE these [great] promises are ours, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from everything that contaminates and defiles body and spirit, and bring [our] consecration to completeness in the [reverential] fear of God." {2 Corinthians 7:1 AB}
Was Religious Christendom showing reverential fear of God, while Slaughtering 100 Million of their own Brother's and Sister's during two World wars? Was the Atom Bombing of two Japanese Cities, an expression of the Christian love they were ordered to display? Was that what we'd call love of neighbor? Love of God? Were those things something that someone who had put on the new personality would involve them selves in? Was that showing reverential fear of God? Was that not a display of ignorance and calousness, and hardness of heart? Yes! It suely was! But why? Why would anyone who titles himself/herself , "Christian," even involve themselves in such a slaughter as that.
To those who understand their Bible, that answer to all of that is quite simple. It is satan who is 'god of this World!' He holds this entire World 'under his power!' He 'blinds' and 'misleads the entire inhabited earth.' {1 John 5:19} {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} {Revelation 12:9} Satan by his actions in the garden of Eden, murdered the entire human race, by causing Adam's Fall into sin; in so doing caused the death of all Mankind; because we all now inherit sin and death from the first Man Adam. {Romans 5:12} {1 Corinthains 15:22} He knows now, his time is getting very short, but being the Blood-Lusting murderer he is, his desire is to take as many along with him when he's finally put out of action for the thousand year period. When he will be chained and abyssed for the entire Thousand year reign of Christ. Revelation 20:1-3 Was he to have his way now, and from what I read in scripture, he will have, he will once again cause the death of everyone alive during the time of the coming of Christ in Kingdom Power. Read the Prophecy of Zephaniah 1:14-18 and you will learn my reasoning is sound. Isaiah too foretold the same World destruction as did Zephaniah. Jeremiah predicted the outcome of Armageddon, and not a very pretty picture.{ Isaiah 24:1-6 Jeremiah 25:31-37} It's true Christendom's Blood_guilt is very heavy and Jehovah will require an accounting. Does that mean the situation is hopeless? Those early Jews had murdered the very Son of Jehovah God, but Jehovah, even at that, was willing to foregive that murder. Would he tells us, if we did not not foregive others neither would he foregive us, if he himself was not willing to foregive others their sins? Of cours not! Correct?
Note Peters words to those who had murdered the Christ; and notice, the opportuniity was still there to get their sins wiped away.
14"You disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15 You killed the author of life, but God raised him from the dead. We are witnesses of this. 16By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name and the faith that comes through him that has given this complete healing to him, as you can all see. 17"Now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18But this is how God fulfilled what he had foretold through all the prophets, saying that his Christ would suffer. 19Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord, 20and that he may send the Christ, who has been appointed for you—even Jesus. 21He must remain in heaven until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets."{Acts 3:14-21 NIV}
"Come now, let us reason together, says Jehovah: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. 19 If you be willing and listen, you shall eat the good of the land; 20 but if you refuse and rebel, you shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of Jehovah has spoken." {Isaiah 1:18-20 DT}
Opportunity for foregiveness, is still being offered, but was there ever a time to act, it would be right now! I would suggest you waste no time in doing that acting.
Make absolutely certain, you're walking in love, displaying that fine conduct the Christ gave us all an example of.
Just remember! If you listen! You Live! If you turn a deaf ear, and rebel, you die! Was I to be any of you, I'd make asbsolutely certain, my move would be done very quickly. That's not me saying that! Jehovah has said that to all of you. The Condition this entire World is in right now, is described by Paul in the following; and it's a very bad condition to be in at this time, because know it not, you're already dead in Jehovah's eyes. Paul will show you how, and why:
1"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath." {Ephesians 2:1-3 NIV}
The Ruler of the Kingdom of the air, is the devil, explaining why the Worship of this World's Christian's is unspirited.
It will only be those why DO THE WILL OF GOD who live forever.
17"The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever." {1 John 2:17 NIV} It is in the doing of the will of God, one will manifest Fine Christian Conduct. Wannabe
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Too Late For Religious Christendom!
by wannabe in
1. watchtower
2. bible
too late for religious christendom?.

that's a very odd statement to make isn't it?

anyone that really was a true christian would love the message of the bible, you would think, wouldn't you?
wannabe

Too late for Religious Christendom?
That's a very odd statement to make isn't it? Anyone that really was a True Christian would love the message of the Bible, you would think, wouldn't you? Why is the converse to that really true though? The answer to that goes back a very long way! Right back to the Garden of Eden, surprisingly enough.
Hatred, persecution, and murder has been inflicted on the Prophets of Jehovah all down throughout the days of the Israelite Nation, has gone on! Right up until the time of the Christ and even beyond that. In fact it was to occurr right up to the coming of Christ in Kingdom Power. But Why? There must have been a reason behind that hatred, surely.
The reason can be found in Jehovah's Words to satan the devil as he setenced him for his vile actions in that garden, misleading the Woman Eve as he did, and causing Adam's Fall into sin, as a result murdering all Mankind. Listen in to that conversation now:
15"And I will put enmity Between you and the woman,
And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."{Genesis 3:215 NASB}
We know the principle or main seed of the Woman was the Christ, who at his crucifiction received a mere heel wound, but later he would deliver a fatal head wound to satan the devil, by throwing him into the lake of fire. {Galatians 3:16} {Revelation 20:7-10} But as long as satan, would be god of this World, earths population would knowingly or unknowingly be worshipping him and doing his bidding. Worshipping the demons and not Jehovah God. Although they would make profession they were true worshippers of the God of the Bible. In similar fashion, as the ancient Israelites. They would be blinded by satan, held in his power, and misled by him. {2 Corinthians 4:3,4} {1 John 5:19} {Revelation 12:9} {1 Corinthians 10:20-22}
satan, today, still being God of this World uses his minions to persecute the true followers of the Christ today, but like the Israelite Nation will soon find themselves in the same predicament the Israelites ended up in with Jehovah patience, running out, as we see in this next scripture in 2 Chronicles, to wit:
15"The LORD, {JEHOVAH} the God of their fathers, sent word to them again and again by His messengers, because He had compassion on His people and on His dwelling place; 16 but they continually mocked the messengers of God, despised His words and scoffed at His prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against His people, until there was no remedy." {2 Chronicles 36:15,16 NASB}
Jehovah gave them ample time to correct the bad course they were on, but time ran out for them, as we see. As it will for Religious Christendom. It will happen the same way! They will continue until there is no remedy for them. No Possible healing.
Jesus laid a scathing denunciation on those early Jews, that revealed exactly what they had turned out to be. What the entire realm of Religious Christendom is now:
3"Serpents! brood of vipers! how may ye escape from the judgment of the gehenna? 34`Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify, and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city; 35 that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar: 36 verily I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation." {Matthew 23:33-36 YLT| {Revelation 18:24}
Although at one time the Israelite Nation was Jehovah's favored people, was the one true Religion, they had gravitated over to satan's side, and as Jesus had called them, had become Children of satan the devil, seen by the words of Jesus to them: "Serpents! Brood of Vipers! Of course, applied now to Religious Christendom. Who are all, now, the seed of satan the devil. Walking in the footsteps of the Israelite Nation. Following after satan the devil.
When you tell them what the Bible says on various matters; will they listen to you? Or do they end up throwing out sarcastic remarks, slurs, and insults, snide innuendo's, laughing and jeering at you? That is exactly what they do, forgetting what happened to the Jews for doing that type of persecuting.
They forget! Jehovah foretold the presence of individuals such as these! He, right now, would be monitoring them very closely, as he sits in his heavenly court with the books open. Something they are not aware of, because of being Bible illiterate, although professing to be Christian's. They haven't learned even yet that a True Christian would know his Bible. Not being true Christian's of course, they do not know their Bible. {Daniel 7:10} {Psalm 2:1-12} Probably because they refuse to listen to it when someone does try to teach it to them.
What does Jehovah have to say to Religious Christendom? Perhaps the following:
41"Look, you scoffers and scorners, and marvel and perish and vanish away; for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed which you will never have confidence in or believe, [even] if someone clearly describing it in detail] declares it to you." {Acts 13:41 AB}
I have been coming on these Boards now for many years! I've received nothing but sarcastic remarks, slurs, insults, snide innuendo's skoffing scorning, you name the abuse. All from so-called Christian's! Jehovah has a few words for all of you now. Call it a little skoffing and scorning in his own style: You see! He knew you'd all be here, and he's left a little message for all of you: But you won't believe this either, will you? Of course this conduct is typical of this Worlds so called Christian's isn't it? Once more for emphasis.
41"Look, you scoffers and scorners, and marvel and perish and vanish away; for I am doing a deed in your days, a deed which you will never have confidence in or believe, [even] if someone clearly describing it in detail] declares it to you."{Acts 13:41 AB}
I do believe I clearly described many things to you, in detail, didn't I? No Matter! It was only a rhetorical question anyway. I cannot, and do not, expect any answers from those who do not know their Bible! Of course slurs, skoffing, jeering, snide innuendo's, I expect, and you've never let me down in those areas, have you? You never have! Don't start now! It's very probably too late to worry about it now anyway. There's no healing when its too late! Wannabe