Additiion to Christ's invisible presence!

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  • wannabe
    wannabe

    Addition to Christ's Invisible Presence!

    Concerning the invisible presence of the Christ, occurring as the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society teaches in the year 1914 and establishing that belief on the seven time prophecy of of Daniel 4:16 as they do; I find there's very great reason to doubt the validity of their belief, and seriously doubt as well that prophecy even pointed to the appointed times of the Nations as they believe it to be. I do agree their calculations are correct, but I don't believe those times ended anything, but rather marked the beginning of something. A subject for another time.

    Getting back to the presence of Christ. We know, as I have cited, that Jesus said, "Where two or three are gathered together in my name, there, "I am with them." That would apply to our own time period as well. Consider the scripture first:

    20 "For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." {Matthew 18:23 NIV} According to that, he'd be with us even was we to be born before 1914, and certainly thereafter, because he had stated: "I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

    18Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age." {Matthew 28:18-20 NIV}

    Even back in the first Century he was telling them he was invisibly present, although not directly stating that; but, rather, indirectly. How could he be with anyone if he wasn't invisibly present? How could he be there until the end of the age without being invisibly present?

    Now! Here's something to ponder over! We know as Jehovah sits in the invisible Heavenly Spirit Realm on his Throne, naturally he cannot be seen with the naked eye. But we know he's always invisibly present with us, don't we? Agreed?

    We know that Jesus Finished the work his Father had given him to do. We know too, he had conquered the World.

    4 "I glorified you on earth, having accomplished the work that you gave me to do." {John 17:4 ESV}

    33 "I have told you these things so that in Me you may have peace. You will have suffering in this world. Be courageous! I have conquered the world." {John 16:33 HCSB}

    We know also because of that he was exalted to his Fathers right hand.

    33 "Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing." {Acts 2:33 ESV}

    Because of doing all of that Jesus took his seat on his Fathers Throne on his right hand, in the first Century. Now he was seated beside, the invisible God I spoke of, who is always present with us even though unseen. Jesus tell us about his exaltation:

    21"The one who conquers, I will grant him to sit with me on my throne, as I also conquered and sat down with my Father on his throne." {Revelation 3:21 ESV}

    We know what Jesus had to do, to conquer the World. That's really no big secret is it? Then he tells us anyone else that conquers will sit down with him on his Throne just as he sat down with his Father on his Throne. We also know that when the rest of the 144,000 conquer they will sit down with Jesus on his Throne and when they do they are Crowned Ruling King Priests with the Christ. So it follows that when Jesus took his seat on his Fathers Throne at his Fathers right hand in the first Century, he was right then a Crowned King. Invisibly present just like his Father. Not an Active ruling King! Just holding now the Crown. That makes Jesus invisibly present ever since the first Century when he ascended back to his Father's right hand.

    That's why he could say, I am with you all the days even until the end of the age. Or, when two or three are gathered together in my name there I am in their midst.

    As far as exercising his ruling Authority as King of God's Kingdom that will not come until he actually arrives in Kingdom power. Up until then he still holds the Crown. It yet remains for him to become an active ruling King, exercising his Authority as such. As described by the Apostle John:

    10"Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ. For the accuser of our brothers, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down." {Revelation 12:10 NIV}\

    So! It's as I said! He already held the Crown! It was needed only to become an Active Ruling King, by exercising that Authority, to the limit. Which he does at Armageddon! The following three scriptures put that Crown on the head of Jesus. {Ephesians 1:19-23} {Philippians 2:5-11} {Matthew 28:18} Unless of course you know of someone higher in Power and Authority than the Christ, who we should be bending our knees to in worship. Of course the Pope will tell you he is. The Governing Body of the Watchtower Society will tell you they are. Religious Christendom will tell you they are! Oh My! Decisions- decisions- decisions- What would the Christ tell them all? Might it sound something like this? "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness! I NEVER KNEW YOU!" That must be the reason, none of them knew him!

    If Jehovah can sit on his Heavenly Throne in the Invisible Spirit Realm, and be present yet unseen to the naked eye, then the Christ too, since his ascension to his right hand, and sitting on the same Throne, as he is, with his Father, at his right hand, would himself also be invisibly present from the time he ascended in the first Century. Wiggle and twist all you want, the Christ has been invisibly present ever since his ascension in the first Century. Now, if that doesn't blow the Governing Bodies reasoning clear out of the Ball-Park; then I don't know what it would take to do it! I'm open to suggestions, if you really feel you can supply the answer to that; by all means go right to it.

    Just omit the snide innuendo's, slurs insults, nasty sarcastic remarks. Not Wanted! Not Needed! Not Necessary! Wannabe

  • Gregor
    Gregor

    Just omit the snide innuendo's, slurs insults, nasty sarcastic remarks. Not Wanted! Not Needed! Not Necessary! Wannabe

    KMA, dunce. You are not the boss of me! Your post is a rant of psychotic fantasy, dungeon and dragons BS.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    Just omit the snide innuendo's, slurs insults, nasty sarcastic remarks. Not Wanted! Not Needed! Not Necessary! Wannabe

    You realize you just dared the board to do the exact opposite of what you want, don't you?

  • cult classic
    cult classic

    Now! Here's something to ponder over! We know as Jehovah sits in the invisible Heavenly Spirit Realm on his Throne, naturally he cannot be seen with the naked eye. But we know he's always invisibly present with us, don't we? Agreed?

    No.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    How could he be with anyone if he wasn't invisibly present? How could he be there until the end of the age without being invisibly present?

    I think the answer is obvious: by being VISIBLE for a freaking change! You're the SON OF GOD for crying out loud and you can't make yourself visible to humans who have been BEGGING YOU to do so for CENTURIES?

    If he can't man up and make himself visible I feel no obligation to even believe he exists, let alone keep working my ass off every weekend in "service" to his invisible kingdom.

    SHOW ME SOMETHING or GTFO!

  • EndofMysteries
    EndofMysteries

    Uh, you posted this same thing few days ago.

    You believe their calculations are correct, yet wrong. Well, their calcuations are wrong as well. USING their logic, they are off by 30 years, and thats using the date they used. It would land on 1944, I believe the logic they used to even get to 1914 is wrong, it's even against the logic Russell used.

    Yet a lot more significant things in bible prophecy occurred in 1944, I won't go there.

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