Okay, I also have to go goodnight too. Take care!
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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I'm actually taking statistics next semester, a requirement for my business degree. I learned all about what blacks went through 1965 and prior in an American history class, my teacher went to school during that time and told all of us (born past those times) some very interesting and horrible history. I had never known about sundown towns or the jim crow laws until that class.
It is sad what you say about the shopping and kids but the real blame should go to all those who do those things causing the suspicion then. If you research Costa Rica or ever go there, you'll find that if you put your things down anywhere at anytime, they will probably dissappear. Theft is insanely huge in that country. So in that country, everybody, even the innocent I was leery of if I had anything valuable with me or around me. If a store is having a major problem with blacks stealing by stuffing things in their coats, then it's sad but they may be more suspicious of blacks wearing coats then. I pay a higher insurance rate because I am a male and statstically males get in wrecks more. I'm a good safe driver, but I'm discriminated against because of that. (I don't know how that is still legal btw). Also when traveling, I remember meeting an English person who said to me and my companion, "I can't believe how nice you both are, I never been around americans but I didn't even want to visit your country because of things I've heard about americans, etc."
I'll try to find data on private vs public defenders.
About educational experience, sure! I grew up a JW as well. I am currently seeking a degree in business. There is a community college that offers bachelor degrees so it will save a lot of $ vs a state university. I'm just about 1/2 way now. I got on track for that shortly after learning TTATT. I had worked as a programmer years ago even though I didn't have a degree in that. Thanks for the sharpness comment. I have taken a class on critical thinking aka 'applied ethics' which really taught about critical thinking and analysis. Some of the classes I've taken so far have helped and I am also very analytical by nature, I had a psychological evaluation/IQ test/etc, and my highest scores were in problem solving, pattern analysis, etc, and I am between an ENTJ and INTJ. (all of those things combined may explain how and why I think they way I do).
I'm fairly close to your situation and point in life. What kind of job/career has been your target and what did you get your degree in? Or you can PM me it.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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On that employment report you posted, here are 2 things I want to quote from it.
"the increase in the black unemployment rate during the recession was larger than that for other races partly because workers with less education are particularly hard hit during recessions. Moreover, the unemployment rate for Blacks was slower to fall after the official end of the recession. The slower recovery for African Americans in the labor market has been partly the result of government layoffs after the official end of the recession. Blacks have been more vulnerable to the drastic layoffs in government in the past two years because they make up a disproportionate share of public sector workers. Moreover, with the exception of health and education, Blacks are under-represented in the sectors that have experienced the greatest job growth during the recovery, including manufacturing and professional and business services."
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" More than a quarter of employed black workers aged 25 or older have earned a college degree, a share that exceeds that for Hispanics 5 but continues to trail that for Whites. While black workers continue to trail Whites in educational attainment, the number of African Americans with a college degree has been growing faster. In the past decade, the number of black workers with a college degree has increased by over a quarter, compared to a fifth among White workers."
I don't see any white privilege here either. I see that blacks are paid less because of less education but it seems that is changing and many are getting college education now. Also that report explained they were more employed in public sector jobs and not as many in the industries that experienced the job growth during the recovery. Do you know of employers who pay white men more than black men in the same workplace w/ same skills but different pay? They'd have a discrimination lawsuit on them. Another thing that can effect those numbers are the states they live in. States like NY and CA pay a lot more than states like FL, etc. I have no idea where the racial population is most concentrated but that would also have an effect.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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I read most of that article/book Grreatteacher. I tried to look up many of the studies that the article said had came to certain conclusions. Almost every study and reference in that book is from 1998 and earlier, most seen to be early 90's and some of the studies used went on data as early as 1980. I couldn't access the actual studies so I could only read what the author claims they proved and again most of it is 20+ years old.
The article did claim higher rates and harsher penalites for blacks and latinos vs whites but it also said within those results, one claim was that a young black man is 5.7 times more likely to get a harsher sentence then an employed white. It also said that whites are more likely to hire private attorney. So black may have nothing to do with that, it could be based on the benefits of a private attorney and being able to afford one because of having a job, etc.
The article talked about studies relating to the death penalty. It said although it found that jury's were NOT more likely to sentence to death based on race, that it prosecutors were more likely to refer a case to death penalty if the victim of the black person was white. If the jury is not going based on race, then what could be the reasons the prosecutor would have to refer to the death penaly if he is not being racist? Are there any? I could think of one reason possibility (this is all speculation either way whether prosecutors are racist or not) but most murders seem to be among people that know eachother, family, friends, aquaintences, etc. My theory is that those murders may show more motive (less cold hearted) then a random person they dont' know and have no reason to hate,etc, and kill them.
Either way, even that article, being based on information 20+ years old, had said that things had majorly improved and atleast at the time of that data found things as I mentioned that to them indicate something still going on.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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I'm reading the article you linked now, I'll post in a bit.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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O I forgot to mention what I think is the reason blacks may be punished more harshly. I do not think that would at all be a race issue or reason.
Private lawyers cost money, so I think that any poor people, white, black, etc, would be more likely to get harsher sentencing since they don't have superstar lawyers working hard to cut deals and working as much on the case as a public defender who is probably over worked with cases.
So if a large percentage of blacks who shun education and advancement thinking it's too white get into trouble with the law, they probably don't have money for private lawyers so end up with harsher sentences. The way to compare this and know for sure though would be black and white sentencing WITH private lawyers and black and white sentencing with public defenders.
If the only thing being viewed are sentencing as a whole on race without considering private and public defenders then the whole picture isn't being looked at.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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Grreatteacher - the reason for my last post was due to the comments you made, " Eom, simply because your ancestors were white, you benefit from white privilege. You are pulled over less often by the police, you enjoy a higher employment rate and can shop in public without suspicion", "It is backed by statistics. And there is no evidence that blacks are encouraging the phenomenon. "
So in reply to that post instead of it being 'white privilege", 1. whites being pulled over less often by the police - since you didn't show any proof here is a study which DOES support that.... http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/09/you-really-can-get-pulled-over-for-driving-while-black-federal-statistics-show/ it then goes into a breakdown of the reasons why pulled over for each race. For as you stated, "No reason given" 2.6% of whites pulled over were no reason given and 4.9% of blacks pulled over were no reason given. The other 97% and 95% do have actual reasons. I don't know if you want to get into what the reasons may be but only a 2% difference doesn't seem worth debating and no reason given is open for speculation. But for out of 100% of all possible reasons for getting pulled over, 2% less likely for whites for no reason vs blacks, I don't see any privilege there.
For shopping in public without suspicion, It is backed by statistics. And there is no evidence that blacks are encouraging the phenomenon. - that's also why I posted the FBI reports, two charts I linked are good to compare, they have a chart for 18+ and under 18. Those who steal from stores would be under larceny. Out of all arrests for larceny for people over 18 years, 68% white, 29% black and 1.3% asian and for under 18, 62% white, 34% black and 1.8 Asian. It must get really frustrating for the blacks who have never stolen and are very good citizens to get suspicious looks because of the actions of the others, but is it because their skin color is black or because although only 13% of the population, accounting for around 30% of those instances? I'll tell you though, if you want to live in a country that is equal on suspicion terms, move to Costa Rica. EVERY HOME and EVERY BUSINESS is fortressed like a prison compound with razor wire because theft is so bad there nobody trusts anybody. But back to this topic if those numbers are accurate perhaps that's a reason why?
There was something I found very interesting in that FBI report I never heard of before, and maybe it's a cultural thing, but there all categories involving alcohol blacks were the lowest on, like 5 to 8%, far below even the population, alcohol, drunkedness, dui's, etc. Whites blew everybody out of the water on those, 80%+. So statistically, blacks are the least likely to be drunk drivers and have alcohol offenses. Based on those numbers it seems they don't really drink,
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Will it someday be possible to read another person's mind, without his or her even knowing it?
by Pinku inscientists transmit thoughts from one brain to another.
sep 7, 2014, 6:27 am et.
column by lee dye.
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The fact that our thoughts go on waves, similar to radio waves, if you view the brain as almost like a radio tower, other than the waves themselves that can be measured by merely attaching a sensor on top of ones head, if those waves can contain information or thoughts similar to a radio or wireless internet, then it seems logical they could possibly be read in the future. Many times those I'm in close proximity to we think the same thing at the same time, etc, and I've always wondered if that was coincidence or a very minor form of telepathy.
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WT is obsessed with "Korah"
by EndofMysteries inkorah and the faithful and discreet slave go hand in hand.
korah and sparlock.
if you do a search for the word, "korah" in the wt lib, the wt barely goes a month without showing into a wt or magazine about rebellious korah and applying it to themselves as being moses and if you question the authority of the gb, you'll be destroyed.
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Korah and the faithful and discreet slave go hand in hand. Korah and Sparlock. If you do a search for the word, "Korah" in the WT lib, the WT barely goes a month without showing into a WT or magazine about rebellious Korah and applying it to themselves as being Moses and if you question the authority of the GB, you'll be destroyed.
No wonder JW's parrot Korah everytime anything that questions the authority of the GB comes up.
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Black girl beat up and bullied by other black for 'acting too white'
by EndofMysteries inhttp://news.yahoo.com/high-school-girl-taunted-beaten-bus-stop-acting-035032786.html.
other than the story, the comments are very interesting, tons of comments by other blacks claiming the same thing happens to them.
not only other blacks but their families as well bully them, calling them oreo, traitor, etc.
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GrreatTeacher - No problem and thanks for the replies, I'm enjoying the good honest dialogue. Back to the convo, you have been saying what statistics show but didn't provide any sources to back them up and seem to be saying that everything statistically that would effect education, crime, etc, are the same but that blacks are just punished more and discriminated against. I'm going to put statistics here with sources since I highly disagree with what you are saying and this is why I disagree.
First, here is a chart by National Kids Count, an organization for helping the wellbeing of children, that shows the number of children in single parent families then it gives percentages for each by race. http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/tables/107-children-in-single-parent-families-by#detailed/1/any/false/868,867,133,38,35/10,168,9,12,1,13,185/432,431
As of 2012, 67% of black children are in single parent families and 25% of white children are in single parent families and 17% asian. Why is that? Shouldn't it be equal among all races as you claim crime and employment should be as well? Are whites somehow forcing blacks to not get married and not stay with their families? Now many of the black youth who are always in trouble, not all, but many seem to be from those single parent familys. For example the Kroger mob beating that happened 2 days ago, the 15 year old who was arrested for stomping on a head of the white kroger employee and throwing 20lb pumpkins on his head while unconscious was being raised by his grandmother. She said he had been suspended from school, his father was not having a role in his life, etc. I wonder, does that angry 15 year old black boy hate whites because maybe all the problems from his father and mother not being in his life, etc, are all being blamed on whites somehow? Is it impossible that perhaps one of the reasons that more blacks are in prison than whites statistically is because so many don't have parental figures, they grow up feeling abandoned and angry, and just get into gangs and crime? There is no way such a huge difference in those statistics will not have some sort of impact on the communities children. Anyway this is one of the reasons why I was surprised about the so called studies showing no possible causes other than discrimination for higher incarceration rates, unemployment, etc.
"Blacks are punished more harshly" - Can you give some specific examples? I find it shocking when you hear of young blacks 15, 18, early 20's, that have a police record pages long involving theft, robbery, assaults, and seem to be out a few months later. That detroit case earlier this year when those blacks who almost killed that white man who hit a kid and pulled over to help, he could have got 10+ years, the judge gave him only 1 year and probation. I just don't see any discrimination in punishment and prison time for blacks vs whites. All I see is no matter the color, violent offenders seem to be let out more often and sooner than nonviolent drug only offenses, no matter the race.
Demographics - http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/00000.htmlWhites are 78% of population, blacks are 13 percent and asians are 5.3% A
REAL STATISTICS for 2012- (ACCORDING TO THESE STATISTICS, I SUPPOSE THERE IS A CONSPIRACY TO LET ASIANS FREE OF MOST CRIMES IF ALL ARE EQUAL) here is a chart from FBI for 2012 showing total arrests by race and by offense. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/tables/43tabledatadecoverviewpdf The percentage by race is shown as a percentage of total crimes committed. So for example Robbery, it shows 80, 135 arrests, 35k were white and 44k were black and about 800 asians, out of all robbery criminals arrested 43% white and 55%black and 1%asian. Now since blacks make up 14% or less of the population, are you saying that this country just ignored a whole bunch of white robbery criminals and gave the black robbery criminals a harder time? Or did robbery victimes say, "o he's white, don't call the police"?
Now robbery was one of the few that blacks surpassed whites because blacks are a minority of the population, many crimes whites have more arrests total, forcible rape arrests 65% of total were white and 32% black and 1.2% asian.
THIS ONE IS REALLY GOOD, it actually goes against the claim about blacks being pulled over more. One of the most arrests out of any category was DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE....981,000 arrests, 84% white, 12%black, 2% asian. So Greateacher, are the police being fair in who they pull over for being drunk, because these numbers closely follow the percentage of popluation, but violent crimes they are letting whites go free and picking on blacks more? If there was true discrimination, shouldn't this be showing 30 to 50% of DUI's by blacks as well?
And asians were heavily discriminated as well, even thrown into concentration camps during WW2. Why do they have even less crime rates than whites? Do whites LOVE asians more than themselves and let them get away with things more?
I remember in school asians were almost picked on for being too smart and studying too much and just because they are asian they are smart. In their culture they put a lot of emphasis on hard work and education so statistically many will be smarter because they worked harder for it.
Taking those in consideration Grreateacher, can you please point out in the chart of total arrests for 2012, which specific crimes,arrests are blacks being picked on when whites should be much higher? And can you explain why in almost every category asians seem to be UNDER their popluation percentage for the crime?