i fail to see why people such as alice in wonderland, bane and others, are regularly singled out as tolls.
demands are repeatedly made that they are shunned and thrown off the forum; while people like perry, who rant on with pages of controversial drivel, are considered acceptable?.
i personaly don't view any of them as trolls, just people who feel a need to stand up for what they believe.
I gave BANE, Titus, Scholar, Alice, and any other Jehovah's Witnesses the PERFECT opportunity to defend all of their major beliefs in one location: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/196050/1/Questions-for-BANE-SCHOLAR-and-All-Jehovahs-Witnesses
But so far, they have refused (except Alice who posted some answers which do not agree at all with the Governing Body)
you don't have to answer all of them at once.
i would be happy to see your answers to any of these questions.. remember, the inspired apostle peter gave this direction in the holy scriptures: "always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
" (1st peter 3:15).
BANE is claiming that Jehovah has given him special authority which is GREATER than that of MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, and also GREATER than the Governing Body has given Jehovah's Witnesses!
Who does Bane think he is?
Look at these Quotes:
Insight Book, Volume 2, Page 133:
Michael was not abusive, even when speaking with the Devil
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Watchtower, August 15th, 1982, Pages 28-29:
Possibly, the Devil wanted Moses’ dead body so as to start a religious cult around it and thus corrupt Jehovah’s people. Yet Michael did not resort to bringing a judgment against the Devil in abusive terms. Michael “did not dare” to do so because of having proper fear of Jehovah. Nor did he run ahead of Jehovah’s appointed time for dealing with Satan. (Revelation 12:7-9; 20:1-3, 7-10) Instead, God’s beloved Son showed respect for the Supreme Judge and accorded him the right to rebuke the Devil. Hence, Michael told Satan: “May Jehovah rebuke you.” Although Michael’s statements were not harsh, he showed power by keeping control of Moses’ body, and Jehovah buried the prophet in an unmarked grave. (Deuteronomy 34:1-6) Surely, in all of this God’s Son set Jehovah’s people a splendid example of respect for divine authority. May we follow it.
By way of contrast, Jude next said:
“Yet these men are speaking abusively of all the things they really do not know; but all the things that they do understand naturally like the unreasoning animals, in these things they go on corrupting themselves.” (Jude 10)
Although the would-be flesh defilers were so inferior to Michael, who would not bring a judgment against Satan in abusive terms, they spoke abusively not only of “glorious ones” but also “of all the [spiritual] things they really [did] not know” or understand. “Not having spirituality” (Jude 19), they could not comprehend spiritual matters. (1 Corinthians 2:6-16) Jehovah’s thoughts, ways, dealings and activities were foreign to such “ungodly men.”
Out of respect for Jehovah God, neither the archangel Michael nor the other righteous angels speak abusively of those upon whom God has bestowed certain glory. But these “ungodly men” did so because they had surrendered fully to animalistic passions. They understood not spiritual things but only what appealed to their fleshly passions. So, like animals that mind only the flesh, they sought the gratification of the fallen flesh. Those men, intent on satisfying base sensual desires, ‘corrupted themselves’ in fleshly sins. Thus they showed themselves to be no better than “unreasoning animals born naturally to be caught and destroyed” without any hope of resurrection.—2 Peter 2:9-13.
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Watchtower, January 1st, 2001, Page 17:
Jesus went even further when he said: “You heard that it was said, ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those persecuting you; that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens.” (Matthew 5:43-45) Even when someone opposes us, we try to “keep conquering the evil with the good.” (Romans 12:19-21) If possible, we share with him our most precious possession, the truth.
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the war of gog of magog (from ezekiel chapters 38 and 39).
the watchtower society teaches that gog is another name for satan the devil, and magog, persia, sudan, lybia, meschech, tubal, beth-togarmah are all just "symbolic" names for all of the nations of the earth that satan will use to attack jehovah's witnesses at the battle of armageddon.. however, since most of the other prophecies in ezekiel were taken literally, why should this one be symbolic?.
what are your thoughts on this prophecy?.
I disagree. I do not believe the Gog of the Land of Magog in Ezekiel is the same as Gog and Magog in Revelation.
In Ezekiel it says Gog (a person) OF MAGOG (a land), and in Revelation, both Gog and Magog are names of NATIONS.
you don't have to answer all of them at once.
i would be happy to see your answers to any of these questions.. remember, the inspired apostle peter gave this direction in the holy scriptures: "always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
" (1st peter 3:15).
BANE said:
"We already know what other religions are like. We don´t have to go to them. If they believe in say....Trinity you can strike them off your list. It doesn´t take an idiot to do a quick 5 minute search on what the other religions teach. They pretty much all believe in the Trinity so it narrows down the true religion pretty darn fast."
Oh wow.
I am beginning to think Outlaw is right and Bane is not a real Witness. If Bane is a JW, then Bane is giving JW's a bad name!
Seriously, most Jehovah's Witnesses I have ever known (and I have known a lot) are better-mannered, more Christ-like people than Bane is.
Sometimes I even wonder if Bane might be one of us pretending to be a JW just to make the JW's look really really bad.
Okay, BANE, I would like to challenge you to a debate on the Trinity using ONLY Scriptures from the New World Translation.
Are you up for that debate?
I can promise you, I will Out-Scripturize you.
Before you accept my challenge, check out these threads I posted on the Trinity:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/69282/1/All-About-The-Trinity
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/175020/1/Clarifying-the-Trinity-Doctrine
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/100284/1/Watchtower-said-Worship-Jesus
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/101627/1/Is-Jesus-Christ-God
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/124384/1/The-Duality-The-Father-and-The-Son
the war of gog of magog (from ezekiel chapters 38 and 39).
the watchtower society teaches that gog is another name for satan the devil, and magog, persia, sudan, lybia, meschech, tubal, beth-togarmah are all just "symbolic" names for all of the nations of the earth that satan will use to attack jehovah's witnesses at the battle of armageddon.. however, since most of the other prophecies in ezekiel were taken literally, why should this one be symbolic?.
what are your thoughts on this prophecy?.
The War of Gog of Magog (From Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39)
The Watchtower Society teaches that Gog is another name for Satan the Devil, and Magog, Persia, Sudan, Lybia, Meschech, Tubal, Beth-Togarmah are all just "symbolic" names for all of the nations of the earth that Satan will use to attack Jehovah's Witnesses at the battle of Armageddon.
However, since most of the other prophecies in Ezekiel were taken literally, why should this one be symbolic?
What are your thoughts on this prophecy?
Several scholars believe that the land of "Magog" refers to Russia, and Persia is definitely Iran. Ancient "Ethiopia" is modern Sudan according to some experts.
Most scholars believe Beth-Togarmah is the modern nation of Turkey.
The prophecy foretells that Gog, the "Prince" of the land of Magog (Russia?), will gather together the armies of Iran, Lybia, Sudan, and Turkey to make a gigantic attack and invasion of Israel.
The only nations which will protest are "Sheba and Dedan" (some experts say Saudi Arabia) and Tarshish and its "young lions" (some people think Tarshish is Spain, while others believe it is Britain and the young lions include the United States).
I think there are some very interesting "coincidences" developing in the Middle East right now that seem to lining up with this ancient prophecy.
What do you think?
Has anyone here ever studied this prophecy in-depth?
i know the society have from time to time stated that russell was a very successful businessman before he turned his hand to religion.
the new dvd is more specific than i recall them having been before on this issue.
it makes a point of saying that charles russell expanded the business and opened clothing stores independently of his father:.
This is all I could locate about Russell's business and how much he got from selling it:
The Watchtower, January 1st, 1955, Page 46:
Russell having spent the years 1877 and 1878 largely in preaching afield, zealously going from city to city, and also by this time having closed out most of his previously successful business interests, which had netted him more than a quarter of a million dollars
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Revelation Book (1988), Page 69:
Taking the lead among these awakening Christians was Charles Taze Russell, who, in the early 1870’s, formed a Bible study class in Allegheny (now part of Pittsburgh), Pennsylvania, U.S.A. When he started his search for truth, Russell was in partnership with his father and on his way to becoming a millionaire. But he sold out his chain-store business interests and spent his fortune in helping to finance the publishing of God’s Kingdom in all the earth.
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The Watchtower, September 15th, 1975, Page 565:
Consider, also, another example from sometime earlier, that of a man who was entering his twenties back in the 1870’s, in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania. He was in business with his father, operating a chain of stores in men’s furnishings and was on his way to becoming a millionaire.
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you don't have to answer all of them at once.
i would be happy to see your answers to any of these questions.. remember, the inspired apostle peter gave this direction in the holy scriptures: "always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
" (1st peter 3:15).
Boy that does sound good. I'll take a Bud Lime, thanks!
you don't have to answer all of them at once.
i would be happy to see your answers to any of these questions.. remember, the inspired apostle peter gave this direction in the holy scriptures: "always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
" (1st peter 3:15).
Outlaw,
Thank you, I can definitely see your point too.
And I wasn't trying to single you out, and Lord knows I have wanted to call certain JW's several names lol.
you don't have to answer all of them at once.
i would be happy to see your answers to any of these questions.. remember, the inspired apostle peter gave this direction in the holy scriptures: "always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
" (1st peter 3:15).
BANE said:
I haven´t acted in any way that the bible doesn´t give me power to. Jesus called the apostates vipers and snakes. I do the same. Are you saying I shouldn´t follow my lord? So there. I never want that point EVER AGAIN to be talked to of me because I just defeated it with a scriptural example.
By claiming to have extra authority BEYOND what the Governing Body has authorized you to have, then BANE, according to the Watchtower Society, you no longer have approved association with Jehovah's Witnesses, and you can possibly be classifed as an "APOSTATE" yourself now:
The Watchtower, April 1st, 1986, Pages 30-31:
Approved association with Jehovah’s Witnesses requires accepting the entire range of the true teachings of the Bible, including those Scriptural beliefs that are unique to Jehovah’s Witnesses. What do such beliefs include?
The Watchtower, March 15th, 1986, Pages 12-15:
Have No Dealings With Apostates [...] When a fellow human tells us, ‘Do not read this’ or, ‘Do not listen to that,’ we may be tempted to ignore his advice. But remember, in this case Jehovah is the One who tells us in his Word what to do. And what does he say about apostates? “Avoid them” (Romans 16:17, 18); “quit mixing in company with” them (1 Corinthians 5:11); and “never receive [them] into your homes or say a greeting to [them]” (2 John 9, 10). These are emphatic words, clear directions. If, out of curiosity, we were to read the literature of a known apostate, would that not be the same as inviting this enemy of true worship right into our home to sit down with us and relate his apostate ideas? [...] We need not conclude that we have to read a book or a pamphlet that is filled with slander and half-truths in order to refute the false claims and teachings of opposers. [...] Yes, Jehovah ‘teaches us to benefit ourselves.’ He tells us to keep separate from apostates and their teaching, and this for our own protection. It means our life.
BANE said:
If I want to try out a restaurant I don´t go to that anti restaurant website do I? NO...I go to the freaking place and have a meal. If you are really worldly and not an apostate, that is what you are doing. You are going by other´s words about the restaurant instead of ordering the chicken sandwich to try it for yourself.
That may be appropriate for trying out a restaurant, but what about getting involved in a business opportunity which could possibly cost you your entire life's savings? Should we just plunge right ahead into that opportunity and then see what happens?
Or, would it make much more sense, and be much safer, to look up the Better Business Bureau, or Fraud Alert Websites, or Dateline TV Investigations first before losing our life savings on a fraudulent business opportunity?
Even with restaurants and movies, most people read the critics' reviews before going there, or at least get their friends' advice first.
BANE, do you recommend the same advice for ALL OTHER RELIGIONS? Should we go "try out" the Roman Catholic religion first and see for ourselves what it is like? Should we do the same for the Baptists, Methodists, Lutherans, Islam, Judaism, Freemasonry, Hinduism, or Satan worship?
How many meetings should we attend while we are "trying them out"? How many questions should we ask each religion?
BANE said:
You think too many people are reporting food poisening...How many apostates come here? A hundred? I got 7 million witnesses on my side. NOW who do ya believe?
The Watchtower, December 15th, 1995, Page 28:
some thousands are disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation each year
The Watchtower, April 1st, 1994, Page 16:
each year about 40,000 individuals are disfellowshipped from Jehovah’s organization.
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Straight from the horse's mouth, in the 90's there were 40,000 Witnesses every year who were being disfellowshipped. Possibly due to apostasy or causing divisions.
So, if you calculate that up from 1990 to 2010, then just from those years alone there were 800,000 disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witnesses, and that does not include the ones who "fade" or become "inactive" or who disassociate themselves.
you don't have to answer all of them at once.
i would be happy to see your answers to any of these questions.. remember, the inspired apostle peter gave this direction in the holy scriptures: "always [be] ready to make a defense before everyone that demands of you a reason for the hope in you, but doing so together with a mild temper and deep respect.
" (1st peter 3:15).
Outlaw,
I understand why you are angry and/or upset with BANE, and I can even understand why you think he is not actually a Jehovah's Witness.
However, the point I was trying to make was, that if there are any actual Jehovah's Witnesses who are watching these threads, then perhaps it would be more helpful to them and less of a put-off if we refrain from name-calling toward someone who claims to be a Witness.
We don't want this website to end up with the same reputation as the Society do we? We don't want to be known for shunning and name-calling and personal attacks do we?
