Are you qualified to do this kind of "research"?
Yes ......
JanG
Posts by Jang
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34False Memories
by Jang indo any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?
i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.
since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .
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False Memories
by Jang indo any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?
i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.
since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .
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Jang
Alpha, I am not interested in hearing stories ... I just wanted to get some idea of how extensive the problems is among the different fundy groups.
Sheesh!!!!!!
When JW's leave they find it hard to explain their background to anyone who hasn't been there - done that. Most outsiders have no idea of what we went through.
The same applies here Alpha.
Unless you have had this happen to you and your family then you don't have a clue whati t is like and whether you can get on with your life etc etc
Now, there are some of us who have been accused like this who have managed to get over the worst of it and are now fighting back by trying to change laws, guidlines for therapists etc etc. We are damn well doing something about it instead of sitting on our butts and bemoaning our fate.
This is the same as there are a few of us who went throught the JW's etc and instead of sitting on our butt and bemoaning our fate we decided to use our experience and have been kicking butt for 20 years and we have kicked butt so much that things changed.
I have seen so many come out and go into the woodwork in the last 20 years .... and it never ceases to amaze me how easy they can criticize those of us who have done the groundwork. I know that there have been times when Randy Watters has wanted to throw in the towel for this same thing and that applies to almost all the others I know around the world who have been battling this for years.
The only thing that keeps us going is how strongly we feel for those we left behind.
The same applies to the false memory problem ... the thing that keeps us strong is working towards changing things so more families are not destroyed.
JanG
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False Memories
by Jang indo any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?
i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.
since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .
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Jang
RandyAussie, what makes you think that Jw's are the only ones I am asking?
This is a board for JW's and xJWs ... so I ask about JWs ....
On the Mormon board I have asked mormons
On the Christian boards I have asked Christians ....
I do not want to hear their stories ... I just want to get some idea of figures ...... Maybe you should also learn to read ...
And as for dredging up unhappy memories about this .... let me tell you frankly mate you have no idea what you are talking about .....
If you were the accused in these circumstances you wouldn't have to worry about having someone dredge up the memories .... they are there all the time --- and I have yet to talk to a family who doesn't feel the same.
As for helping, just what the hell do you think I do with my time?
Maybe if you did as I have already asked and come and see for yourself you may be just a little less judgemental and a little more human.
JanG
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New H20 was just announced
by Kismet inthe forum director posted this to the coolboard h2o site and thought many here might want to get this new url (at bottom of post).
(note: i cross posted this to the jw news section as well).
kismet.
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Jang
Kent, just as we changed and came out ot the WTS, the powers that be on H2O can change too ...and I believe there has been a big change in attitude .....
The "moderation" on H2O will not be about deleting messages but about moving them to their right areas for newbies, and any that are really a bit sus will go to the Deletion Bin where they can still be answered and where they can be debated about. The Trash bin is only for PORN and so on ..... and you know that we did get that on the H2O board ....
There is a certain amount of moderation here too Kent, and recently Simon had to take action against someone ....
JanG
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False Memories
by Jang indo any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?
i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.
since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .
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Jang
RandyAussie - you didn't read my story did you.
Our family are victims of this! Our daughter has not spoken to us for 6 years and we have not even met our grand daughter. Our son has gone along with his sister because she has convinced him that he just can't remember it all. Only the youngest son told them it was all crap .... but then he is a bit of an independent thinker like his mum
We were also separated from our sons children until he and his partner split and she didn't go along with this crap and so we finally got to meet another grand daughter at 5 years of age last year and reunited with our grandson after a 5 year separation!
In mid 1994 we were a very close family. We would find excuses to get together as often as possible for a BBQ and a laugh. On December 19th 1994 I was informed that my husband Simon and I were Satanic Ritual Abusers who had not only abused our children but our grandchildren as well in satanic rituals.
About 6 weeks later our grand daughter was killed, (eldest son's child from marriage). They wouddn't even look at us at the funeral. They accused us of cursing her and killing her on top of it!
So why is this important to me I wonder? Over1000 families in Australia alone that have experienced this and this is only the tip of the iceberg!
And believe me Randy, they need help and support just as much as we did when it happened to us. I ahve not met one family yet where the accused parents have not had a breakdown, whose health has not been adversly affected,just as much as xjws who have lost their whole family by not agreeing with the WTS.
JanG
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False Memories
by Jang indo any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?
i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.
since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .
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Jang
Waiting, just as those who become JW's ALL believe it until something is presented that makes an impact, so the victims of false memories. The false memory movement is now reagarded as a psychotheraputic cult, and those who are true believers behave just like cult memebrs who cut off from their families and wont read anything that contradicts their beliefs.
Sure, there are some who, like those who study with the JW's, start to wonder if it is really truth and start investigating, but it seems these are very few and far between. Even then those who do make the break are generally badly affected for a very long time.
If you go to our Australian False Memory Assn website you will find some really good links to great resources and even stories from people who finally did see what was happening to them.
JanG
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New H20 was just announced
by Kismet inthe forum director posted this to the coolboard h2o site and thought many here might want to get this new url (at bottom of post).
(note: i cross posted this to the jw news section as well).
kismet.
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Jang
Perhaps with some support - it will rise again with the ease it's shown before.
It would be good if it did because then those who wander there will find the info and fellowship they need .....
Maybe everyone could make a point when they are posting a new topic of posting it on both forums.
JanG
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Selling Ice to an Eskimo
by Jang inthe second step is the real target.
on the first step.
i give a little, you give a little.. a second explanation of the ditf that has been given is called, "perceptual contrast.
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Jang
Thankyou Waiting ..... I do appreciate you and Ozziepost ....
JanG
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Song parody: Beverly Hillbillies
by Seeker in[sung to the tune of the beverly hillbillies].
come and listen to a story about a man named chuck.
a rich presbyter, he was about to lose his luck,.
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Jang
I sent the URL for this page out to all the others on my list and this morning my mailbox was full of letters expressing their delight at wetting their pants laughing ......:D
JanG
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False Memories
by Jang indo any of you know of anyone who is or has been a jw who has supposedly recovered memories of being sexually or ritually abused as a jw?
i figured that this must have arisen in the org because of the article they had in the mags about 4 years back on the subject.
since then i have heard of a couple who have claimed to heave been satanicly ritually abused as jw's .
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Jang
Mulan, they really do believe it all. My daughter does. It is like hwen you tell a lie often enough you end up believing it .... they have told themselves that this is their reality so often that they really do believe it .... after all some authority has told them so and confirmed it ....
On my web page is a report done by FBI agent Lanning ..... interesting reading .... http://www.caic.org.au/zfms-sra.htm
JanG