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  How did you feel when you first spoke what you really felt?

  by AudeSapere in

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  how did you feel when you first spoke what you really, really felt about the org.

  when you had doubts but still thought it was the 'truth' and didn't want to stumble another jw with your doubts but also could not talk to worldly family or friends because they wouldn't understand.

  then one day you find someone that you feel comfortable talking to and you actually say the things you were afraid to say about the org.

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  Proof: Jehovah's Witness beliefs are based on a FALSE PREMISE

  by Terry in

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  did you know there are no numbers in the bible at all?.

  that's right.. oh, except the book of numbers (which is rather counter-intuitive) which contains no numbers itself.. what am i talking about?.

  consider this startling fact:.

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  I hadn't thought of it that way. I had noticed, however, that there is nothing to tell us why we should take the witnesses chronology as true, instead of as just another too deep reading into the Bible. There are so many people who have found secret codes in the Bibles that I wonder why we have to believe this one. Your comment makes it even harder for me to believe in the chronology.
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  Non-JWs in relationships with JWs - tough questions

  by JWoods in

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  i have noticed multiple threads here by faded jws, non-jws, dfd jws, and so on in marriages or relationships with a hard-core jw.. these are some of the most wrenching emotional situations we read about here on jwn.

  for sure the jw religion has done everything they possibly can to make life miserable for the non-jw partner.. i wanted to do a thread on the subject in general without putting this on the specific personal threads - a hard, tough, question:.

  is it really worth it to live a lifetime in this kind of mentally abusive relationship?.

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  Yes, JWoods. It's not dishonorable to draw the line in the sand, but it is never easy, and sometimes you'd rather not draw it. This is not mere irrationality at play.
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  Non-JWs in relationships with JWs - tough questions

  by JWoods in

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  i have noticed multiple threads here by faded jws, non-jws, dfd jws, and so on in marriages or relationships with a hard-core jw.. these are some of the most wrenching emotional situations we read about here on jwn.

  for sure the jw religion has done everything they possibly can to make life miserable for the non-jw partner.. i wanted to do a thread on the subject in general without putting this on the specific personal threads - a hard, tough, question:.

  is it really worth it to live a lifetime in this kind of mentally abusive relationship?.

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  Oh, and one more thing. I am sure that there are many witnesses who followed their indoctrination and ended what they had with worldly people or non-JW's. I'm sure that, for these people, the promise of Paradise Earth does not seem that fulfilling after all. Wouldn't it be better if only they could have their beloved one with them?

  I wonder if there is not a witness who secretly hopes that someone he or she loved dies soon, so he or she has the opportunity to be resurrected and, hopefully, to convert and share eternity.

  The heart is not cold and rational all the time. My witness said my heart is foolish. Rightly so.
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  Non-JWs in relationships with JWs - tough questions

  by JWoods in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have noticed multiple threads here by faded jws, non-jws, dfd jws, and so on in marriages or relationships with a hard-core jw.. these are some of the most wrenching emotional situations we read about here on jwn.

  for sure the jw religion has done everything they possibly can to make life miserable for the non-jw partner.. i wanted to do a thread on the subject in general without putting this on the specific personal threads - a hard, tough, question:.

  is it really worth it to live a lifetime in this kind of mentally abusive relationship?.

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  I agree with Gary. Every individual has a threshold beyond which it is not possible, correct, or self-respecting to maintain a relationship. If you're not there yet, then the relationship is still worth it, despite the pain.

  Some of the posts you find here involve people who either didn't know what they were getting into, or find themselves in that situation unexpectedly. Also, some of us fell for witnesses who let themselves get carried away initially, and then returned to the fears that come from their indoctrination. I am sure that there are many, many cases of people whose hearts were broken and we will never hear from them because the witness in question walked away.

  Personally, I was pushed away and can't see her anymore. I'm still ruminating the pain. There are days when I believe that it's for the best, but not for the reasons you would think. I shudder to think that her being with me could result in her family and friends shunning her. I wonder if I would be worth all that pain. However, now that I know the depth of the pit she's into, I can't have the heart to simply forget her becaue it was the cause of lots and lots of terrible pain. If she should ever need me, she will find my arms wide open, whether I'm married to someone else or not. Like Martin Luther would have said, "Here I stand; I cannot do otherwise". On realizing all the pain and all the misery she has gone through, the only feeling I can never part with is one of hoping that there were something I could do to at least stop the suffering. It hurts me to see that it seems there is nothing I can do. That is a pain I can't overcome. I still wake up and wonder what she's doing, but sure that, in a way, she's wasting her life away.

  And I know she loves me too. She just did "the right thing". So, as I hope you see, JWoods, the pain doesn't end when you end the relationship.

  Some people could argue that I am choosing pain. The better informed know that I have not. I can think of some people who post on this board. They are shunned by their children, and I'm sure there's not a day when they don't think of them, and I'm sure they can never stop hoping that one fine day they will hold them in their arms again. You know, that is not choosing pain. Neither have I chosen pain, either. I can consciously try to continue living my life, and yet I hope I will never become the kind of man who would turn her back on my beloved witness just because of the pain.
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  Did you feel embarassed explaining the Memorial to people?

  by lepermessiah in

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  i did...... by the time you were done, they looked at you like you were from another planet.. it was the "you actually believe all of this?

  " look.. .

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  I've never been to a Memorial but, on the basis of your description of it, my unbelieving ways would lead me to wonder why we are there at all, if we can't partake. It would be all the most strange because, as a former Catholic, I would expect the emblems to be available to all. As in "Take this and eat, all of you", or whatever the Bible says. I would wonder why we should have the meeting at all. And probably it would be one reason NOT to join.
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  FAITH: accepting what you are told.....without question!

  by Terry in

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  faith: if we adopt it as a way of accepting what we are told.... would investigating what we are told be a lack of faith?.

  when i was 20 years old i was instructed to refuse induction into the armed forces.

  privately, i was instructed to not accept the legal alternative: alternate service (work in a hospital as a non-combatant conscientious objector.).

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  As A Witness You Never Can Do Enough!

  by minimus in

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  the jw rollercoaster continues!

  if you still have to go to meetings, i sympathize with you.

  i know a few that keep up appearances so that they do not lose their loved family members.

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  I knew that you guys were put on a treadmill, but I didn't know about the "selling your house" thing. Wow. So you're actually encouraged to sell your home if you can? I would appreciate an answer even though I realize that's not the topic of this thread. Thank you.
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  Letter from WT's Haiti Branch Committee re: Society's relief response

  by Dogpatch in

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  just got this in, don't know if it was mentioned here yet, but this illustrates how the watchtower views/responds to emergencies.

  note the dig on university and "higher education" (especially sad for a poor country like haiti with poorly educated masses).. randy.

  it was a terrifying moment for all!

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  so why dont they cut to the chase at the door???

  by oompa in

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  2. bible

  as in..."hi, my name is soa fraid and i hope you will accept my offer for a free home bible study.

  the reason you should accept this free offer is that our leaders, the men who have compiled the material for this study receive direct communication from god, and he speaks to no other religion on earth.

  they then write down what god has told them to, and publish it in a zillion languages so that we can teach people what god really meant in his new world translation of the holy scriptures...you may refer to it as the bible.

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  I did understand the thread. See my first post. Yes, I would have had to be there to really understand what you talk about - from your perspective. I have been "there", on the other side, as the unbeliever to whom the half-lies (which is to say half-truths) were being told. That should also matter, because the way people receive your message affects the way you deliver the message. And why do people receive the message that way?