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  My post about my dad exposing himself and elder saying it never happened was to show how crazy this religion is.

  by life is to short in

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  i just wanted to let everyone know that my post on my dad exposing himself and the elder who said it never happened was to let everyone know how crazy this religion is.. everyone seems to think that i am suck in having to keep going.

  i am not going to the meetings.

  please understand that.

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  dgp

  Welcome, Quando!
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  My post about my dad exposing himself and elder saying it never happened was to show how crazy this religion is.

  by life is to short in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just wanted to let everyone know that my post on my dad exposing himself and the elder who said it never happened was to let everyone know how crazy this religion is.. everyone seems to think that i am suck in having to keep going.

  i am not going to the meetings.

  please understand that.

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  Snoozy, beyond its moral or religious value, forgiveness is a way to let go of the pain and start anew. I was not fortunate to have had the experience that made me learn this, but I am lucky to have learned this lesson.
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  607

  by leo999 in

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  hi all ,.

  is there anyone else at all , apart from the wt that does believe that jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bce , or are they totally all alone in this ?.

  leo999.

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  I understand Carl Olof Jonsson's The Gentile Times Reconsidered (http://www.amazon.com/Gentile-Times-Reconsidered-Carl-Jonsson/dp/0914675079/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268512288&sr=8-1 is a very good source on all things 607. It sounds like an interesting book.

  However, I have a problem, not with the book, but with the whole idea of the chronology. Suppose Jerusalem had indeed been destroyed in 607. I still can't see why we have to believe there is a chronology to interpret at all. I don't see how the "weeks" become "years". I still can't understand why YHWH, who wants us to be saved, would give the information about his second coming in such a difficult to see way. So, my disbelief in the chronology starts with "WHY DO WE NEED A CHRONOLOGY AT ALL?
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  Faders are indeed a very large doormat

  by moshe in

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  sorry, to be so blunt- for a whole day i have watched people here patting themselves on the back- we're a large army, oohh, look out wt, we might do something, well not today or tomorrow, but someday!

  maybe, i have to just accept that a lot of jw's who are exiting the kh by the back door will never find a backbone to stand up to mummy and elder daddy.. jw's have a learned ability to see themselves in a better light than everyone else sees them.

  ask a jw, if they are a charitable religion and they would likely all say they are, but when pressed to name a charity they will be unable to do so.

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  I agree with Gary. Were it not for faders and ex-JW's I would very probably be a JW by now. Or, I would be very much on the way in.

  If you bother to look for them, there are enough books to read what the WTS is about. These people are doing their job. But, not too many people on the outside really care what is going on inside. We usually think that this is a funny religion and that's it. We don't think it is what it is.

  I don't think faders are not standing up for themselves. Some people have very good reasons not to cut ties with their JW family. I very much understand that.

  I think these are all easy points, and it is easy to agree with them. At least, for me.
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  GENETICS- CREATIONISTS need not be INTIMIDATED.

  by hooberus in

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  genetics- creationists need not be intimidated.. .

  internet evolutionists almost universally and repetitiously proclaim that modern neo-darwinian evolutionary theory is supported by overwhelming evidence and that there is no evidence for biblical creation (or even mere intelligent design) for that matter.

  they will dogmatically claim that evolution receives universal support from all the real scientists and all the facts from genetics, biology, geology, paleontology, and every other ology that one can think of.

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  Marked for reading.
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  GOD------------the ANTI-Concept!

  by Terry in

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  2. bible

  telling you what something is not is the opposite of identification.. .

  god is:.

  1.someone the human mind cannot grasp.. 2.not human.

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  I agree: there can be things the human mind can't grasp, yet they exist. However, sometimes the human mind doesn't grasp things that don't exist. The fact that you can't grasp something is hardly a proof of its existence.
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  Some days the board feels like this

  by purplesofa in

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  just some posters, not all.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4yjmwcs6h0.

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  dgp

  Purps, cheer up .
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  Question From Readers reveals dependent state of JWs

  by sd-7 in

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  2. friends

  just consider some of the questions i found, not worrying about the responses:.

  ***w50 12/1 p.496 questions from readers***.

  in view of what deuteronomy 4:15-23 has to say about the making of any graven image, would it be considered scripturally correct.

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  Oh, and Islam is just as bad as the WTS. The only difference is that Islam does have to worry about practical things. Their civilization was once above that of Europeans. They had to take care of practical matters. Therefore, you don't see people wasting their lives away. They do live in fear and submission, but that's a different thing. I think Islam is what the WTS would be if they were many and had control of several countries.
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  Question From Readers reveals dependent state of JWs

  by sd-7 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just consider some of the questions i found, not worrying about the responses:.

  ***w50 12/1 p.496 questions from readers***.

  in view of what deuteronomy 4:15-23 has to say about the making of any graven image, would it be considered scripturally correct.

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  But I have always had serious doubts if these "questions from readers" were not really just made-up fakes by the writers at Brooklyn.

  I myself also wondered if some of those Questions from Readers were 'planted' by somebody in HQ.

  I think I remember Ed Dunlap telling me years ago that a lot of these questions were either so heavily edited as to be essentially made up or were picked and chosen from years of input to make whatever point the magazine writers wanted at the time.

  I would not be surprised at all if they were deliberately made to look as if the questioner was really stupid and the WTS so great and wise. In any case, this is BAD, plainly and absolutely BAD. The people might not ask these questions, but the leaders do intend them to serve as guidance for others. I've never been a JW, but I can tell you that, whenever a witness gave me a magazine, I always thought those questions weren't real. I know the answer, but for the sake of a rethorical question, I wonder what a witness can do if he thinks those questions are fakes. He has to accept them as if they weren't. I also see a subtle command here. "This is what you should do: ask how you need to behave".
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  Dead Sea Scrolls and the inerrant word of God

  by dgp in

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  some days ago i read this article:.

  http://www.economist.com/culture/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15543906.

  it essentially says that, more or less when christ is deemed to have been alive as a person, there was more than one version of the scriptures out there.

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  In the course of my personal Bible study (and I don't mean what the WTS would like me to learn), I have found that:

  Yes, as Terry says, there was more than one group of Jews and more than one group of Christians, and, like Celsus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celsus>/a>) said, Christians were always fighting each other and killing each other. Finally one group of Christians was able to jump onto the Constantine Wagon and they became the Catholic Church.

  Doubts that come to my mind:

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  I suspect that Constantine needed an ally that would make sense. That's why it was he who promoted the Canon. He couldn't have cared less what the canon was, as long as there was one he could stick to. That's why he argued that"Homoousios" thing (http://www.quotes.orthodoxwiki.org/Homoousios). Former Catholics might also remember this was when the Filioque thing came up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filioque.

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  How do we know that the Bible wasn't tampered with later, by mistake or wilfully? The Comma Johanneum was when Erasmus of Rotterdam was forced to support the idea of the trinity with anything, and he added a few strings to the Bible. I wonder if anyone added anything else at some other point, and no one knew.

  3) (the one that motivates this post): Now it happens that we have always had more than one version of the Bible.

  4) Then we have all the translators adding their biases.

  I'm sorry, but, for me, the idea that the Bible is the inerrant word of God has suffered a very serious blow. And I'm leaving out stuff such as, for example, God's wonderful behavior towards the Midianites (Number 31: 15-18). Or inconsistencies such as Jesus saying different things while being crucified / held in the torture stake. Let me add the vested interests of churches and churchmen (almost invariably it has been men), their interests in the Kingdom of this World, et cetera, and, sorry, I don't have much trust left for Christians. I can appreciate the value of many, including well-meaning Jehovah's witnesses, but... the whole idea has suffered a serious blow.

  The article wants Christians and Jews to take it easy in view of the fact that no one seems to have the inerrant word of God. I wish everyone took it easy and stopped killing, shunning or otherwise disposing of "infidels".