Posts by dgp

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Oldest person in the U.S. has died today -

by JWoods in

here is a link:.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_oldest_american.

as she was 114, this would have made her what, approx 8 in the year 1914?

sometimes we find a place and it feels like home, it is accepting and understanding.. then, sometimes, that place becomes cold and inhospitible.. when i first joined here i felt i have found a good place.. people like narkissos, leolaia and others impressed me with their knowledge of scripture and motivated me to learn more for myself.. others touched me with the stories of their pan and hurt, pain and hurt that i was feeling also.. i don't think i ever offended anyone with my views on christianity and if i have i sincerly apologise for that was not my intent.. but things change and sometimes home isn't home anymore.... this site had been invalable to me for my understanding what is wrong with the jw's relgion and the wt, it has strengthened my faith and belief.. here i found people of religon, faith and love.. here i found agnostics and athiest that challenged my views and made me question, they made me a believe via reason and not "blind faith".. for that, i thank all of you, especially the "jeff's" ( ak and alltime), i also say a special thanks to leavingthewt, many of his posts made me feel welcomed and made me think and be a better person.. chalam, bts, dd and so many others, i thank you from my heart for your kind words over these many months.. people like mary and sylvia and so many others filled my heart with love with their stories.. all the best to you my dear brothers and sisters.. .

dgp

Dissed wrote

Sometimes, I feel some here are trying to disrupt the board and send people away

Indeed.

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With Heavy Heart

by PSacramento in

jw
friends

sometimes we find a place and it feels like home, it is accepting and understanding.. then, sometimes, that place becomes cold and inhospitible.. when i first joined here i felt i have found a good place.. people like narkissos, leolaia and others impressed me with their knowledge of scripture and motivated me to learn more for myself.. others touched me with the stories of their pan and hurt, pain and hurt that i was feeling also.. i don't think i ever offended anyone with my views on christianity and if i have i sincerly apologise for that was not my intent.. but things change and sometimes home isn't home anymore.... this site had been invalable to me for my understanding what is wrong with the jw's relgion and the wt, it has strengthened my faith and belief.. here i found people of religon, faith and love.. here i found agnostics and athiest that challenged my views and made me question, they made me a believe via reason and not "blind faith".. for that, i thank all of you, especially the "jeff's" ( ak and alltime), i also say a special thanks to leavingthewt, many of his posts made me feel welcomed and made me think and be a better person.. chalam, bts, dd and so many others, i thank you from my heart for your kind words over these many months.. people like mary and sylvia and so many others filled my heart with love with their stories.. all the best to you my dear brothers and sisters.. .

dgp

PSacramento, I do hope you won't leave for long. I haven't ever been a JW either and have liked your posts.

I wish you well. I saw a picture of you and your family once, and you do have a fine family.

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JW boy and 'worldly' girl - love torn in two

by nekoreichan in

hey everyone, .

i have a question about being in a relationship with a jw boy.. we were friends since the beginning of our senior year in high school.

i called him oniichan ( older brother in japanese) so it'll just be for fun.

dgp

Oh, and I forgot yet another thing, again by Tea Drinker:

She did not return my feelings at first and, like one of the posters related above, it was "okay" for me to pursue her without worrying too much--I couldn't have her. I worked tirelessly, pursued her in all the traditional ways: chocolates, flowers, poetry, tickets to the ballet (I even had her fitted for a dress and bought matching jewellery) and eventually she did return my feelings and we even planned to marry.

Don't hate Oniichan for his mixed messages. He just followed his heart.

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JW boy and 'worldly' girl - love torn in two

by nekoreichan in

hey everyone, .

i have a question about being in a relationship with a jw boy.. we were friends since the beginning of our senior year in high school.

i called him oniichan ( older brother in japanese) so it'll just be for fun.

dgp

Teadrinker wrote

She said I was like two people: a kind, romantic and gentle man who put her first, most of the time; but an unreasonable tyrant when it came to religion.

THIS IS SO TRUE OF EVERY WITNESS WHO FALLS FOR A WORLDLY. My witness (who I might never see or hear from again) is unbelievably, heart-wrenchingly sweet at times, only to become the coldest, meanest, most hurtful person. In a second. She can say she has no trouble with me personally, or my messages, or my calls, and did she tremble when she said she wouldn't marry me; and that is turned off in a second and she becomes one of the meanest people I have ever seen.

he may love you and he may even get the courage to court you, but he will not be able to stop himself from trying to manipulate and control you as long as he is indoctrinated. He believes that you will die a painful and agonizing death if he does not convert you and this will haunt him until he can get you into the Watch Tower. I know this because I was him six years ago.

HE DOES LOVE YOU! In his mind, his manipulative and controlling ways are his way to save you. He thinks he's doing this out of love! I can only understand what my witness feels, because I feel the very same way about her. I shudder to think that she might bleed herself to death over the babble coming out of the mouths of some men in Brooklyn! I am torn to know that all of her life has been one of suffering and pain! And I just can't stand the thought that this will continue to happen! I would want her out with all of my heart! I would want the whole family out! I don't like the father, who inflicted so much pain to her, yet I didn't really like it to know that he lives off welfare. A whole life of hard work to end up this way. And, why? So, while I would suggest that you resist his attempts, don't hate him for them. He thinks he's doing the most loving thing.

Perhaps you can help him awaken?

This is difficult. I wanted to become a witness just so I could be with my woman. Deep down, I knew I couldn't do it. So I was in an emotional rollercoaster, day and night. He might choose to leave the religion on a similar feeling, just because he loves you so much he can't live without you, but once he has you, he might try to take you in. Awakening him would be very difficult and he would pay a very, very high price.

Please, do get to read a lot and do try to understand everything before you make any move. Don't try to rush things. Patience will pay off.

You and I, and many others, share something that the Watchtower can't take away from us. We love them with an uncommon kind of love. Love is just a word unless it's followed by actions, and actions do we take. Maybe the Watchtower will take him away from you, but, deep in your heart, do not resent him. He must be a great guy. He was just unlucky.

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Do you suffer from RELIGIOUS HYPOCHONDRIA?

by Terry in

healthy people don't go to a doctor.

if they do they are hypochondriacs.

no, i'm not talking about your annual check-up.. i'm talking pathology.. hypochondriacs spend their time and money on imagined illnesses.

dgp

Marked for later.

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Elder rules regarding young children

by lancelink in

this afternoon i was talking to one of my sons (25 yrs old) and he was telling me stories about how he felt as a young jw.

some of the stories were pretty sad.. it got me thinking ,, the elders were real "micromanagers" when it came to young kids at the meetings.. we were not allowed to bring books outside of the wt, no alphabet, picture, or counting type books .. also food was a big no-no.

when my kids were toddlers, we would bring cheerios, small stuff like that.. the wizards would bellow from the stage, "you should not feed your kids, take care of that before the meetings.. after that time, i still brought food with, we just made several trips down to the basement during the meetings.. out in service on a 95 degree day no shade, kids and parents were advised to keep your tie on.

dgp

marked for reference.

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The illusion behind the Governance of a GOVERNING BODY

by Terry in

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jesus received his mission orders from jehovah.. the apostles received their mission orders from jesus.. philip received his mission orders from an angel.. paul received his mission orders directly from a vision of christ.. barnabas took paul to jerusalem where he met james (jesus brother and peter) for fiteen days.

no mission was ordered by jerusalem.

dgp

Marked for reference.

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Outsiders of JWN

by Yizuman in

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friends

does anyone feel threatened by outsiders of the jw world?

does it matter if anyone never has been a jw?.

what about those who have family members who are one, but not they themselves?

dgp

Some of us who are here have never been witnesses and, as some people correctly point out, therefore can't really know what it is like to be one. I, for example, shudder to think about going out for field service. I can't imagine what it would be like to have doors slammed, for example, and keep going because I have to put in my time every month. I made my number of mistakes when I came here, too, because we all need to watch and learn. But sometimes I do feel left out. Maybe it's just my impression. No one has been disrespectful to me, and a few people have been extremely kind, like Goldensky and Mouthy, for example, and Leavingwt has been a nice intellectual companion a few times. I have felt I have more in common with people like Gary Neal, or Greenie, or, in general, unbelievers. I don't think that's a surprise.

I would really like to say that we the unbelievers are here because we have a need, too. So many of us came here because we fell for a witness and had to have our own share of problems, infinitely less than those of any witness, yes, but they seem important enough for us.

I think we all should bear in mind that most of us are here because of a common pain. Some of us haven't gone through as much as others, and we understand so.

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JW boy and 'worldly' girl - love torn in two

by nekoreichan in

hey everyone, .

i have a question about being in a relationship with a jw boy.. we were friends since the beginning of our senior year in high school.

i called him oniichan ( older brother in japanese) so it'll just be for fun.

dgp

Many people here will give you very good advice on what to do if you fall for a Jehovah's witness. My own advice can't beat what others have already said. I want to make a contribution, however, and, from my own experience. From your post, I gather that you're not really clear as to where you stand with him or what is going on.

Oniichan's religion frowns on their having any sort of relationship with "worldly" people other than Bible studies or preaching. What is normal for you and me, like hanging out, watching a movie, having dinner together in that little restaurant around the corner, giving them a simple present, that is not normal or expected from them. He knows that very well, and has always known it. Yet he's a human being and fell for you. In doing that, he's breaking the rules. His mere befriending you, I understand, wouldn't get him disfellowshipped. Neither would his marrying you. However, his seeing you is indeed very strongly discouraged.

I bet he had no trouble relating to you when you had a boyfriend. That was because you were unavailable. This is warped logic, yes, but that's the way it works. If they can't have you, then they are safe with you. The minute you become available, you also become a risk, and it is then that they have to avoid you like the plague. Because you are indeed the plague for them.

He was deceiving himself when he said you couldn't be boyfriend and girlfriend but could be friends. He knows full well that he can't be your friend. But he is a human being and followed his heart.

He does love you. And he isn't doing what he's doing because he's mean. Now that his secret is out, he can't see you without serious consequences. I'm afraid he's too young to be on his own, and probably he knows it. He's also been raised under the belief that he will die forever unless he follows whatever the Watchtower Society tells him to do.

Dandingus says you can either become a witness, or hope that he will be out. Or, accept that nothing can happen.

Me, I would wait and see if he can be out. Or, if he will take the heat and be with you anyways. In my lucid moments I am firmly convinced that no one should join the religion. I don't think joining would be a good option for you. I do urge you to read about the Watchtower as much as you can. This forum would be excellent for you, as it has been for me. Don't dive into the religion without knowing what you would be getting into.

He might leave the religion for you, only to return later. Bear that in mind.

I agree with Dandingus that most likely the guy will stay in his religion and you will have no choice. He knows this full well, because he was in.

I encourage you to read a lot, with patience, asking yourself questions and trying to get answers for them. I know you're in love and, for you, like for Dandingus' girl, leaving might look like too much. It does look like too much for me, you know? And I'm a lot older than you are. You will only reach a decision that you like after a long time, and long thoughts.

I wish you and your Oniichan the best, dearest.