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Posts by dgp
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10easier to leave christendom or wts?
by diamondiiz inthis is mostly for those that were recruited by jws from another christian religion.
i was brought up a rc and converted to wts religion when i was young and naive.
when i switched over to wts i felt some anger towards my former religion but it was nothing compare to what i feel towards wts.
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Never Had Strong Feelings - Did You Experience that as a JW?
by cognac inwhen i went to a funeral and i cried cause i thought it was what you were supposed to do.. went to a wedding and didn't really care, just was happy cause everyone else was.. there was just never any strong feelings, except depression of course.. but anyways, did you guys ever experience that?
no strong feelings as a jw?
now that i'm coming out, i'm noticing that i'm starting to actually get more feelings... not sure if that's a jw thing or just cause i'm seeing a phychiatrist now... however, i do notice that with hubby, no strong feelings.
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marked.
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Danish film, "Worlds Apart," (about JW girl) reviewed by XJW author
by AndersonsInfo inonce again i'm posting information about the new danish film.
this time, the xjw, who saw the movie, updated his original e-mail to me containing additional facts.
"to verdener" / "worlds apart.".
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dgp
I bought the DVD and I think it's been worth every penny I paid for it. For your information, I indeed am the unbeliever in love with the sincere and probably hard-core witness. So the big discovery for me was not to put myself on Teis' shoes, but on Sara's.
I do find much sense in Ziddina's posts, only that I view them from another angle.
I would really recommend every unbeliever in love to watch this movie. Because it makes you think whether you should actually keep trying to win your witness' love, or just leave her be. On the one hand, it makes you feel that the witnesses are trapped in an inhumane system, one you wouldn't bear living in. On the other hand, you understand that leaving is not that easy. You might decide whether to pursue your interest on the basis of what the consequences could be, and whether the witness you love is willing and could really face the loss of her entire world.
And if you're getting involved with a witness, you'd better really love her, and really mean it if you say you'll be by her side. Because you would be taking her away from her world.
For the witnesses who might read this, know that the unbeliever truly loves you. It would be so easy to find someone who wouldn't bring us so many problems. If we stay, it's not just out of stubbornness or ignorance, but a matter of real love. We just can't leave you to your own devices. We feel that you're working so bad that it would be selfish for us not to be there for you.
One more thing: an unbeliever understands the movie best after taking serious time to read about the society. Otherwise, the feeling is there that something is the matter with the religion, but you can't quite grasp what it is.
This movie helped me with my particular situation. I'm so glad I bought it.
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John 5
by dgp ini just learned that some versions of the bible contain the the comma johanneum, which is to say that they contain some text that was added later to john 5 as late as in the 1500's.
the text being as follows:.
5:7 "for there are three that bear record in heaven, the father, the word, and the holy ghost: and these three are one.. 5:8 and there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.".
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dgp
I just learned that some versions of the Bible contain the the comma johanneum, which is to say that they contain some text that was added later to John 5 as late as in the 1500's. The text being as follows:
5:7 "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."The text in bold is the comma johanneum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum
The idea of whoever added the text was that this would support belief in the trinity. All right. So, in this case, someone added something to the inerrant word of God, but was discovered, and therefore the change is not recognized in many Bibles. All right. I'm sure that there must be more than one witness who knows this very well. All right. Just as that change was made, and found, other changes could have been made and gone unnoticed. Does this suggest that we need to take the Bible with a grain of salt, as we don't really know how many of these clarifications were made to it? Does this give room to suspect that we don't really know much about the intentions of the original writers of the Bible?
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A pic with all my love to all of you, my virtual friends!
by goldensky ini've been wanting to post a pic for so long.
i finally found out how!
here it goes: goldensky and daughter with all our love to you guys.
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dgp
Goldensky, I love your picture. I can't send you one of myself yet. I'm so glad you and your family are enjoying life. You have brought relief to me in so many ways, as well. May that be rewarded with eternal bliss.
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Feel the Love ? ... continued
by AK - Jeff innov 15, 1952 watchtower pp.703-704 questions from readers .
questions from readers.
in the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?p.c., ontario, canada.. we are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from god and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of israel in the wilderness of sinai and in the land of palestine.
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I feel the love, oh yes, sure I do.
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A wasted life
by dgp inthe witness that personally concerns me moved to an area where she can no longer work like she used to.
though she can find a way to do for a living, she claims now that she is tired of the work she used to do, tired of how mentally demanding it is, and so on.
i believe this is no more than rationalization, as in "no, i didn't make a mistake; i don't really like my previous job".
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dgp
Yes, Lost Generation, not only witnesses rationalize things. Point taken.
I suppose I just rationalized this myself, and I just wanted someone to say that eventually she would realize what she is doing to herself.
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Random, bored musings
by sd-7 inat a certain point, you just get tired of watchtower-bashing.
i kinda miss the awesomeness my life had when things were more normal.
when i didn't know about being in a cult.
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dgp
Sd-7, I think it's easy to see what is going on. You wish you didn't have to deal with all the heartbreaking situations you face only because you're not a witness in good standing. You wish for the time when things were easier. And, who could not understand your longing for having your wife back?
I'm not sure if going back to the religion would be the solution for you. I know it's a big decision, and also one only you can make.
I have also felt that I should simply give up and get into the society. I know I could have the witness I love if I did that. The problem is, I don't think this is a true religion, and I would lose so many other people if I went into it. What would it be like to have her under those conditions? They wouldn't let me just go through the motions. I realized of that today. You can' t just get baptized, place a few magazines and that's it. I wouldn't be able to live a double life, either. I think I can understand you perfectly well, though I approach this thing from the other side. I also daydream of times when things were nice because I hadn't made it clear that I loved her. The minute that was clear, the problems began. If I hadn't found sites like these one, probably I would be in the religion now. Was the knowledge worth it? My head says yes. My heart says no.
What you're feeling is normal. It's called human nature and love for your wife and your friends. It's too bad that apparently we can't change those things. And, believe me, I wish I could.
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A wasted life
by dgp inthe witness that personally concerns me moved to an area where she can no longer work like she used to.
though she can find a way to do for a living, she claims now that she is tired of the work she used to do, tired of how mentally demanding it is, and so on.
i believe this is no more than rationalization, as in "no, i didn't make a mistake; i don't really like my previous job".
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The witness that personally concerns me moved to an area where she can no longer work like she used to. Though she can find a way to do for a living, she claims now that she is tired of the work she used to do, tired of how mentally demanding it is, and so on. I believe this is no more than rationalization, as in "No, I didn't make a mistake; I don't really like my previous job". How common would such a rationalization be among witnesses? I wonder if this is not to say that deep down she realizes of her mistake, but simply won't admit it because it would be just like saying that she lost something because of the society. I would appreciate people's thoughts on this.
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How do they justify not having normal human interaction with non-believers?
by dgp inhow does the society justify not allowing its members to have normal relationships with non-jws?
if i were to argue that this smells of the way other religions, such as moslems or moonies act with respect to non-members, what do you think would be the way to rationalize it?.
thank you in advance.
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dgp
How does the society justify not allowing its members to have normal relationships with non-JWs? If I were to argue that this smells of the way other religions, such as moslems or Moonies act with respect to non-members, what do you think would be the way to rationalize it?
Thank you in advance