Booby,
"And, believingxjw, why did he sin. He was perfect, what caused him to sin."
Men and women choose their path. Adam chose his.
believingxjw
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did jesus really succeed where adam failed?
by booby inwhy did jesus christ come to the earth?
the rebellion in the garden of eden brought a death sentence upon adam and eve and all their offspring, but god lovingly supplied hope.
he sent his son to the earth to provide what the bible calls a ransom.
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Can the Flock Book Event be Legally Cited on Wikipedia?
by believingxjw ini don't know if this is a bad idea or not.
i'm just putting it out for comment.
but is it possible to put a note on the wikipedia article, criticisms of jehovah's witnesses, about the release of the flock book online that contains information so secret that the watchtower is attempting to keep it out of the hands of the rank and file jw?
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believingxjw
Thanks Cabasilas. Appreciate your info on this.
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did jesus really succeed where adam failed?
by booby inwhy did jesus christ come to the earth?
the rebellion in the garden of eden brought a death sentence upon adam and eve and all their offspring, but god lovingly supplied hope.
he sent his son to the earth to provide what the bible calls a ransom.
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believingxjw
Well, no, actually the best explanation was that he was not deceived and let it be at that. Why it is that some want Adam to be some man so in love with his wife that he defies God, is beyond me. He was not deceived and he blamed God and his wife. Why do we need anything more?
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did jesus really succeed where adam failed?
by booby inwhy did jesus christ come to the earth?
the rebellion in the garden of eden brought a death sentence upon adam and eve and all their offspring, but god lovingly supplied hope.
he sent his son to the earth to provide what the bible calls a ransom.
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believingxjw
The belief that Adam sinned in order not to lose his wife is a supposition not supported by the account itself. To believe that Adam sinned because he loved his wife so much but then turned around and blamed her and God for his sin does not add up.
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Can the Flock Book Event be Legally Cited on Wikipedia?
by believingxjw ini don't know if this is a bad idea or not.
i'm just putting it out for comment.
but is it possible to put a note on the wikipedia article, criticisms of jehovah's witnesses, about the release of the flock book online that contains information so secret that the watchtower is attempting to keep it out of the hands of the rank and file jw?
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believingxjw
I don't know if this is a bad idea or not. I'm just putting it out for comment. But is it possible to put a note on the Wikipedia article, Criticisms of Jehovah's Witnesses, about the release of the flock book online that contains information so secret that the Watchtower is attempting to keep it out of the hands of the rank and file JW? One which was released by a currrent elder. Would it be illegal to write something like that but without quotes? Don't know, just asking.
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Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!
by believingxjw ini feel terrible for those who have lost their families.
after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.
but is that the best or only option?
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believingxjw
This thread was about an option, nothing more. Who here would remain quiet while a loved one is denied a lifesaving blood transfusion? There is no either/or. Only the option to at every turn do what we believe is best for us whether that means speaking loudly or speaking quietly and taking each day as it comes.
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"That Letter" about sisters not allowed to spiral-bind the new elders manual
by freddo inyou know, the one from the usa branch/brooklyn.. well i ventured a question to a relative who is an elder here in the uk to see if a similar letter had been sent to elders here.
he knows i was an elder and he lets me joke with him to a certain level about how controlling the society is lately.. he confirmed that one has been received and he laughed because it says you can use a d-ring binder (which i guess is the equal uk term for the us "spiral bound" as long as you don't let worldly people do it and that you have to watch the brother do it.).
i asked whether sisters were allowed to do it and he said even the society wouldn't go that far and smiled.. sooooooo .... i am wondering if this uk letter has had the "sister" stuff pulled because it is such an embarrassment?.
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believingxjw
Actually, a great service has been done for the Society. In the future they can just put their own link on the Watchtower site for the elder book and save the paper and postage!
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Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!
by believingxjw ini feel terrible for those who have lost their families.
after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.
but is that the best or only option?
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believingxjw
Dssynergy,
"I've got children in my family that I will encourage to think long and hard about baptism, and to wait as long as possible. I will remind them that Jesus was an adult when he dedicated himself and that no one has the right to push them to do something they are not ready for. Same with Bethel, or marriage. I'm going to have frank discussions with them about college or trade school. They need to support themselves. And especially no getting married too young. Geesh."
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Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!
by believingxjw ini feel terrible for those who have lost their families.
after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.
but is that the best or only option?
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believingxjw
Black Sheep,
"The WTs worst nightmare is the wised up apostates on the inside, not the shunned DAs on the outside."
Amen! Just look at Yknot and the brother who gave her "The Book", both are inside.
AGuest,
I understand what you're saying but honestly the numbers are cooked anyway and so what if I'm counted in the number. Numbers mean nothing, it's what goes on in the JW community and families that will bring trouble to the Watchtower. I'm not the only one at a convention who wonders how many of the conscience class or secret "apostates" may be sitting in my section, the GB is probably wondering as well. The more the GB raises the heat in the Watchtower oven because of the apostates among them the easier it is for more JWs to see the true nature of the Organization. Look, they could start checking badges at conventions and let enter only JWs on approved JW publisher lists and even then they would still have apostates sitting among them! lol
Those who can keep their family intact until they are able to get as many out as they can are doing what they believe is best for them and their loved ones. As I tried to point on out, Ray Franz witnessed the wrongs for himself but he did not disassociate right away (and when he was on the GB disassociated ones were not shunned, so the loss of friends and family was not that much of a concern as it is today). He stayed on his terms and he had no children to worry about. Many here have children and grandchildren and want to remain a support and a wall for them as long as they can and give a spiritual nudge now and then...and why not?!!!!
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Keep Your Family, Follow Ray Franz' Example. Think Smart!
by believingxjw ini feel terrible for those who have lost their families.
after reading coc, and after the shock of it, many of us hurried to leave and hurried to get our families out only to find ourselves on the outs with our loved ones.
but is that the best or only option?
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believingxjw
SA,
Thank you for replying. I wish all good things for you and your family.