to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
SA,
Very interesting quote, thank you. Yet, from the scripture alone how do we know that the description in that scripture is to be taken literally? Take a close look at my avatar randomly assigned to me. A dragon with a three sided head, three eyes, and snakes coming forth from it, but that avatar is only a representation not actually me.
Christ's love upon you.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
SA,
Well, I think I'm understanding your beliefs a little better.
I believe the Biblical language used to describe the seraphs and other heavenly ones including God himself are all in symbol making it simpler for us to understand rather than literal. But we are all free Christians and you certainly can believe as your heart impels you or as you believe the Christ is instructing you. I don't see where God is included in the seraph "kind" but I'm sure you have reason for believing so.
Christ's love upon you and yours, SA.
Believing
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
SA,
Thank you for answering. You said, in part, that when you saw the Christ:
"He is NOT attractive, by man's standards. Hideous, actually. Enough to cause those who saw him and wrote about it... faint before doing so.
Because he is a seraphs, as they all are. Even the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. That is their "kind."
What is a seraph? A "flying, fiery serpent." Or, to put it in a word you might understand... a dragon. They are, all of them "dragons" (and NOT how that word had been mistransliterated by man, particularly during the Middle Ages). Seraphs... which are flying, fiery serpents. And a serpent... is NOT a snake!!"
How then should we understand 1 John 3:2, "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like him, because we will see Him just as He is," in your opinion will the resurrected anointed be as you described the Christ above?
i can't.. some bar-bet between jehovah and satan balanced against all the evil allowed just doesn't wash..
Time is a good thing.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
Inkie,
Thank you for the kind reply and the scripture.
SA,
You wrote something and I would appreciate understanding exactly what you meant: "In addition, I have also seen our Lord..." Do you mean this in a spiritual or literal sense? Are you saying you actually saw the Christ? If you can, please expound on that bit.
Thank you,
Believing
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
Thank you, Inkie. Your post was very much appreciated.
Believing
How about; Jehovah's Witnesses do not allow freedom of speech.
What does a billboard cost in the Brooklyn Heights area?
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
Thanks Inkie, I don't believe being of the anointed automatically means one hears an audible voice. Do you hear an audible voice? If so, do you mind sharing your experience of what that voice sounds like? It is a deep male voice? Do you hear it during the day and night or only at certain times? What does it say to you?
You don't have to answer, just like the title of this thread, I'm curious.
to the household of god, israel, and those who go with... may you all have peace!.
i am curious (and serious)... regarding your thoughts as to the "source" for the "sacred secrets" revealed by paul... and whether you believe he was the last to so receive (if you indeed believe so and excluding john's revelation) and why you believe so, particularly given the "gifts" of the spirit and the prophecy regarding its outpouring.
i am also curious as to what you believe such gifts are for... and how they are used.. i am curious... because i am concerned.
Inkie,
SA wrote,
"I must disagree, dear one. A person can follow the teachings of Christ, yes, as such is set down in writing. However, that is not following Christ:
“Most truly I say to YOU , He that does not enter into the sheepfold through the door but climbs up some other place, that one is a thief and a plunderer. But he that enters through the door is shepherd of the sheep. The doorkeeper opens to this one, and the sheep listen to his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has got all his own out, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, because they know his voice. A stranger they will by no means follow but will flee from him, because they do not know the voice of strangers.” [Jesus] spoke this comparison to them; but they did not know what the things meant that he was speaking to them."
(end quote)
It seems that SA is equating being a Christian (as opposed to a being only a disciple) with hearing the audible voice of Christ. Or did I misunderstand her post?
first post here, thought i'd start off with a news article from today (i used to live in tpa area, btw).
man accused of threatening religious workers.
spring hill deputies say two jehovah witnesses' quest for spreading peace and religion was interrupted by a man who pointed a gun and cursed at them as they approached his home.rudolf hellmold, 52, was charged with aggravated assault after deputies say he pointed a small silver handgun at the two victims while they were going door-to-door, according to a hernando county sheriff's office report.. the report showed that one of the victims told deputies that as they approached the house at 1355 osowaw boulevard, hellmold stood at a window near the front door, displayed a gun and yelled, "you (expletive) jehovah witnesses get the (expletive) off my property!".
Another unbalanced nut.
