Posts by believingxjw

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Jeff,

"(btw, can you give me an acronym to call you by? bxjw?)"

Call me what you will.

You wrote to Flipper, "I think we could procure all the letters to elders, and other sensitive information. Post the elders book and dare them to come after us. In this theoretical scenario, this website would be free of opinion as this forum provides. The purpose of it is to present responsibly all manner of lies and hypocrisy, to use all confidential letters, then to actually have the resources to call the bluff of the Society's lawyers and take them to court, all the way."

What is your aim, your goal? To take down the Watchtower? To get as many as you can out of it? Or to, please don't take this personal, get back? If your aim is to take down the Watchtower, that won't happen. If it's to get many more out, your plan for doing so has already been tried, all manner of evidence has been published on the web. But if it's to get back at them I say go for it!

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The book,In Search of Christian Freedom

by pat1060 in

i have been reading the book in search of christian freedom by r franz.i just finished the chapter on the house to house ministry....unbelieveble.

he shows a totally different way of explaining the scriptures.i never realized how much the gb slants every thing to it's teachings.they need the nwt to do this.if you haven't read this book,you really should.what i'm wondering if you have read it,what stands out for you.....

believingxjw

Pat,

"Any kind of witnessing,family,neighbors,street work witnessing,but the most important is the house to house ministry"

Yes, I agree. For the JWs witnessing is very important.

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The book,In Search of Christian Freedom

by pat1060 in

i have been reading the book in search of christian freedom by r franz.i just finished the chapter on the house to house ministry....unbelieveble.

he shows a totally different way of explaining the scriptures.i never realized how much the gb slants every thing to it's teachings.they need the nwt to do this.if you haven't read this book,you really should.what i'm wondering if you have read it,what stands out for you.....

believingxjw

Pat,

Are you saying the Watchtower teaches that JWs must preach door to door in order to have life? What about informal witnessing and phone witnessing etc, those don't count now?

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Outlaw,

"You seem like a nice enough person.."

I'm not a nice person, Outlaw. I'm not nice at all.

But for what it's worth, I enjoy your posts and believe you to be a sincere.

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The book,In Search of Christian Freedom

by pat1060 in

i have been reading the book in search of christian freedom by r franz.i just finished the chapter on the house to house ministry....unbelieveble.

he shows a totally different way of explaining the scriptures.i never realized how much the gb slants every thing to it's teachings.they need the nwt to do this.if you haven't read this book,you really should.what i'm wondering if you have read it,what stands out for you.....

believingxjw

Hi Pat,

Do you believe going house to house is not scriptural? I ask because in my area Mormons and Baptists come around on a regular basis.

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Jeff,

"I doubt very seriously one website is going to scare off someone who knows that JW's are full of crap."

I agree. But those who do not yet realize the JWs are, as you say, full of crap, they will run. So, is the catch that first a JW must realize their religion is no good and then they come here and learn their religion is no good? Or could it be that a JW who is not sure about their religion or is happy in their religion and seeks to learn more about the exJW world may come here to just float about the place? And if they do what do they find? Kindness and open discussion that recognizes the good that many have experienced in the JW religion? Have you read the comments on Dogpatch's latest Barbara and Joe Anderson thread? That was a very good thread. It recognized that not all is evil and bad in the JWs. That there can be and still are fine times there. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. Balance and fairness is rewarded with trust. Trust that what is said here is true and not distorted lies.

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Outlaw,

What "house" is that? Not the JW house. All may not be well there but they still grow and still enjoy their families and friends.

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Jeff,

"Most lurkers start off "moderate", go to freeminds, learn that they are part of a lying cult, get pissed, get mad, become "unreasonable", and post here, pissing off moderate former JW's... "

Do you have hard facts on that? Do you know how many lurk here and how many of those who lurk come back and convert afterwards? I'd be very interested in your figures because most JWs I know who come here never return.

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Lars,

"They don't know the messiah arrived in 1992."

I'm sorry to have to tell you this but the Messiah arrived in the first century. You're 2000 years too late!

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

believingxjw

Outlaw,

When most JWs come to boards like this they run the other way. If it were a more moderate board they might stay longer. But as I said I don't think that's ever going to happen.