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I'm the smartest of the stupid people!!
If you weren't in a different country, I'd have to fight you for the title.
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Lack of education does not = stupid.
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[endif] in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan writes:.
in principle, i am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow.
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I don't think Steve Hassan's idea is possible
I agree. I think cult groups would do whatever they could to stop it. The government will never admit that mind control exists because then they would be accountable if someone accused them of it. I think that leaders realize that it's in their best interests for the masses to NOT have critical thinking skills.
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Lack of education does not = stupid.
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[endif] in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan writes:.
in principle, i am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow.
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Steve2, I agree that a lot of anti-witness literature is unconvincing. I find that people who have never been witnesses don’t know how to argue against it as effectively as people who’ve been there. If the high schools would even teach critical thinking skills (some probably do; mine didn’t) that would help.
Farkel, I agree with everything you say. I just wanted to draw attention to the distinction between lack of knowledge and lack of ability to have knowledge. There’s a difference between people with little education and people with low intelligence. The former circumstance can be rectified. It’s harder to compensate for the latter.
Parakeet, I see what you’re saying and I didn’t mean it about people using stupid in that sense. This was directed to those comments which are purposefully trying to put people down for believing in the WTS. I was dragged in from early childhood and I bought it. My mother feels stupid for buying it in her early 20s. We both had to be really shaken out of it.
But I did believe it and I think I am a smart person. I always had the best grades in school (ok, my school system sucked, so that’s not saying a lot) and I always considered myself a rational thinker in the b0rg. I told someone once that I was a JW because it was the only religion that made sense to me. Turns out I didn’t have all the information and hadn’t been trained to properly use my reasoning faculties.
Flipper, Amen! That’s exactly what I liked about being a Witness. Having all the answers.
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Need help with letter on Blood
by wobble ini am thinking of sending a letter to the ethics committee of the british medical association with reference to their guidance to doctors etc.
and the treatment,or non-treatment of jw's with blood.. it seems to me that they just look at the persons mental ability to make a decision,and then respect it, my argument will be that capability alone is not enough,they need to know that the person has been given enough information to make a reasoned decision.. for instance, if someone refused a treatment on medical grounds,having only heard the negatives about such treatment, and none of the positives, would they feel happy in respecting that persons view?
is it ethical?or should not some attempt be made to educate the person fully,if they reject after that i would say then respecting their decision is ethical.. when it comes to a person rejecting treatment on religious grounds,does not the same rule of ethics apply ?
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Wobble, are you suggesting that the decision to not accept blood should be taken out of people's hands or merely that they should be thoroughly informed but still able to make that decision? I'm in favor of the latter.
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Let's start our own governing body
by bluecanary ininspired by dt's topic but meant to be entirely humorous.
let's nominate members to our own governing body.
they can each be head of their own department.
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Mastodon, you can be head of the dept. of Star Wars only if I can have a personal tie fighter.
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Let's start our own governing body
by bluecanary ininspired by dt's topic but meant to be entirely humorous.
let's nominate members to our own governing body.
they can each be head of their own department.
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Parakeet: dept. of having an icon that, out of the corner of my eye, I always think is an avocado.
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Let's start our own governing body
by bluecanary ininspired by dt's topic but meant to be entirely humorous.
let's nominate members to our own governing body.
they can each be head of their own department.
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Inspired by DT's topic but meant to be entirely humorous. Let's nominate members to our own governing body. They can each be head of their own department. Here's my picks:
Leoleia—dept. of people way smarter than everyone else
Oompa—dept. of drooling over hot chicks
Cameo-d—dept. of there is a conspiracy here!
Yizuman—dept. of LOL kitties
Blondie—dept. of how does she stomach reading all that crap to comment on it?
All Time Jeff—dept. of bananas
WTWizard—dept. of celibacy
John Doe—dept. of dirty bastards
Spike Tassell—dept. of if you can't beat em, join em
Ms. Jones—dept. of oh snap!
Challam—dept. of somebody on here might as well be religious
SnakesintheTower—dept of who cares? I’m getting married!
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The governing body have disassociated themselves by their actions...
by DT in...a new governing body needs to be elected.
i know this sounds like a joke, but i'm serious.. i'm sure you're thinking that would be nice, but it will never happen.
i believe it can and will happen.
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I have nothing serious to say here so I'm going to take this:
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Lack of education does not = stupid.
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[endif] in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan writes:.
in principle, i am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow.
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Same here, Sylvia. I remember thinking "I agree with their conclusion, but not with how they arrived at it." What I didn't question was why on earth I agreed with their conclusion!
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Lack of education does not = stupid.
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[endif] in combatting cult mind control, steve hassan writes:.
in principle, i am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow.
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In Combatting Cult Mind Control, Steve Hassan writes:
In principle, I am against banning cults from college campuses unless they expressly violate rules of conduct that every student organization is expected to follow. I believe that these groups have the right to exist, and I would not like to see legislation banning them. However, I would like to see programs sponsored by colleges to teach people about the specifics about mind control and the recruitment techniques commonly used by destructive cults.
I would love to see every high school and college teach its students about mind control and destructive cults. The course needn’t mention any particular group by name; it should discuss the psychological principles of mind control and teach students to be suspicious of any environment that discourages them from asking critical questions.
Numerous times on this board, I have seen people attack the witnesses as being stupid or gullible. While this may be true on a group level, it is not on an individual level. Most of us here at one time chose to be a member of that organization, not because of stupidity, but because of lack of awareness of cult indoctrination and mind control techniques.
If you had received an education about this in school, do you think it would have prevented you from becoming a witness (or facilitated your leaving it, if you already were one)?
I, for one, agree with Steve Hassan. I do not want the government to step in and ban any group. The government doesn’t do anything by half measures. If they step in, it will be with a big stick and more will be destroyed than we want.
But if individuals are educated, they can have the tools to make wise decisions about what groups to be a part of.