looks like chelmsford is going ahead after all.
here is the text of a letter to be read out this week:.
to all congregations in britain and irelandre: branch relocation project updatedear brothers:we rejoice to inform you that in june of this year, the governing body gave approval for thebritain branch to relocate to new facilities that will be constructed just south of chelmsford.
Even toilet water can be treated and recycled for showers - it sounds yucky but it happens a fair bit these days; you don't read much about it as the hotels etc. that do it are scared of it putting off the customers. Add to that, new buildings cost less to maintain anyway.
Thanks for ruining my day!
looks like chelmsford is going ahead after all.
here is the text of a letter to be read out this week:.
to all congregations in britain and irelandre: branch relocation project updatedear brothers:we rejoice to inform you that in june of this year, the governing body gave approval for thebritain branch to relocate to new facilities that will be constructed just south of chelmsford.
BTW. Thanks for posting the mail (where are my manners?).
this morning, my wife showed me this online article (written yesterday evening july 11, 2016) from dutch newspaper "trouw":.
http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4716/christendom/article/detail/4337852/2016/07/11/rusland-verbiedt-thuiskerken-en-meeste-geloofsverkondiging.dhtml.
to me, this seems to be one serious step further, and together with the convention bunker video's it will surely fuel the persecution-syndrome and expectations of the great tribulation even more than it already did!
I just threw out five avocados because they are hard and the end is so close!
times union jehovahs witnesses assembly.
did anyone attend the albany assembly?
the photos in this article shows many empty seats!.
That's one way to put it, except that the difficult circumstances are caused by the organization itself! Quite an important piece of information he left out there, don't you think?
Yah, and when they say "do what is right" then "right" means "what we say" and includes emotionally blackmailing your kids out of a hobby, killing yourself by refusing blood and shunning your kids.
We must give it to the JWs that they got the upper hand when it comes to press contact... every year they get to peddle bullshit in press fluff pieces.
looks like chelmsford is going ahead after all.
here is the text of a letter to be read out this week:.
to all congregations in britain and irelandre: branch relocation project updatedear brothers:we rejoice to inform you that in june of this year, the governing body gave approval for thebritain branch to relocate to new facilities that will be constructed just south of chelmsford.
I think everyone knew it would go ahead at some point (as I understand it the money made from sales of existing buildings will fund it and leave something remaining), what's going to be interesting is if any changes will be made to the buildings plans.
three major characters in jw movies named ethan in 2012, 2014 & now 2016.. coincidence, lack of imagination, or something more?.
Well, it used to be Andre. The smart money should be on the next name being something with and I :-).
i was a 4th gen born in.my adult children were the 5th.
my mother was one of the newly'anointed' we have all left.
i have been lurking since october.i was really too terrified someone would find out who i was and what would happen.well we are out now so here is a part of my story.
Hi and welcome. I am glad you put your family first and got your daughter out, being forced to go to the hall with her perp and being gaslighted by the elders must be the worst environment to heal. I hope you will post more of your story on how you freed the rest of your family, it sounds truly fascinating.
"This was last summer then I found ARC. I sat there screaming at the computer."
you deserve a prize for not putting your fist through the screen!.
so again we go to the quality of evidence used by the wt.. you can read the article here - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no5-2016-october/did-jesus-really-exist/.
you see the wt refer to experts with quotes.
as is usually the case the credentials are not represented, just that they are experts (so take their word).
CG: The other mentioning of a Jesus most experts agree this texts was a forgery.
What is the source for this? from Wikipedia:
The general scholarly view is that while the Testimonium Flavianum is most likely not authentic in its entirety, it is broadly agreed upon that it originally consisted of an authentic nucleus, which was then subject to Christian expansion/alteration
There is IMO a lot of questionable assumptions floating around in the atheistic community on Jesus mythicism.
so real quick, i know this comes up now and then and i've looked over some of the posts from the past but here's the thing.. when i was a jw i drank all the cool aid, i was 100% and so i have all my own arguments (from the jw's) for why the bible is inspired.
i no longer believe this but i'd really like to read something that is pretty much 100% academic on this subject.
i want to read what scholars have to say about the authenticity of the bible and it's claim at being the inspired word of god.
Hi Freeandclear,
If you are looking for middle-of-the-road stuff I would recommend Israel Finkelstein's "The bible unearthed" for the OT and "Misquoting Jesus" (or another book by Bart Ehrman; he write the same in all his books ;-) ) for the NT.
Perhaps even better Yale has their courses on the OT and NT available online.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtQ2TS1CiDY&list=PL279CFA55C51E75E0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V006bX4mlu4&list=PLfbxB0kKayCQ2Hf6JlCCDN6z47ySYxsCW
they should give a good overview of the mainstream academic view. Start with the NT, the lecturer (Dale Martin, a Christian) is really entertaining.
so again we go to the quality of evidence used by the wt.. you can read the article here - https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/awake-no5-2016-october/did-jesus-really-exist/.
you see the wt refer to experts with quotes.
as is usually the case the credentials are not represented, just that they are experts (so take their word).
SBF:
Isn't it customary, when asking a question like this, to first explain why the question arises in the first place? There is no sense, anywhere in this magazine, as to who has been asking this question in the first place, who supports the idea, how it originated, or the arguments involved.
I think this is a very precise observation.. I think this is the general tactic for the WT, they never try to frame the argument (context, history, who believes it, why, etc.) but just introduce it like "Some people say/believe.." (always "some") and then pile on their counter arguments without explaining the other position in details. I think the best example is "evolution" and "the theory of evolution" which I think the WTBs in 100 years has still not defined even once.
