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  I challenge anyone to PROVE the governing body exists!

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  i challenge anyone to prove the governing body exists!.

  we who attended district conventions over the decades know they exist.. but if you've followed the thread at.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/175263/1/personal-records-of-governing-body-members.

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  TheBoss

  I challenge anyone to PROVE the governing body exists!

  We who attended district conventions over the decades know they exist.

  But if you've followed the thread at

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/175263/1/Personal-records-of-governing-body-members

  then you know it can be proven EVERYONE ON THIS PLANET exists on some form of government and private industry financial, tax, DMV, and/or other0 records...

  Especially "public figures" including the President of the United States, the apostles over the Mormon Church, even dictators who want their greedy looting of their government coffers to remain hidden.

  One group of men overseeing a multi-billion dollar religion corporation, indeed "public figures" by definition, remain the exception.

  I say the reason no ex-JW in the U.S., Norway, or anywhere else on this earth has posted any information proving the governing body exist from a purely subjective records standpoint, is obvious...

  There are no financial, tax, DMW, or other official records they exist.

  Again, we have seen these men.

  Therefore, I propose a theory that came to me the other night. If you've read my aforementioned topic you know I've gone to a great deal of fruitless effort to get information on these men.

  My theory is the men at Bethel on the governing body ARE AT BETHEL UNDER ASSUMED NAMES.

  My theory is they use aliases at Bethel, and have done so most of their lives, while real government records under their real names and social security numbers exist.

  The layers of blind trusts hold their real names, however, if anyone managed to dig up these blind trusts (protected under constitutional privacy laws) they would discover names of people most would assume are other stakeholders in the Watchtower corporations. However, those names in fact could be the real names of governing body members. They and their heirs will inherit the billions in international Watchtower assets. Unless someone could tie those names on the blind trusts to the literal faces of the governing body members, no connection could be made. This is similar in scope to how many Nazi party members started new lives in Europe and the United States after the war, without ever getting tied to their real names and war crimes.

  Again, I challenge you to play the proverbial devil's advocate role, by proving the literal names tied to the faces of men on the governing body actually exist.

  I say you cannot prove they exist beyond the simple fact we know men, whole have been identified by first and last names, have lived at Bethel and governed the Watchtower corporation billions for many decades.

  I also say there must be buried records somewhere that show the faces of these men tied to REAL NAMES, and there are REAL RECORDS - social security, tax, financial - tied to those actual names. Furthermore, those names are likely buried on legal papers under layers of blind corporate trusts at Chase and other major banking institutions in the U.S., Britain, Switzerland and elsewhere. Those billions are an endless well-spring of wealth those names, their families, relatives and heirs, can legally tap at will.
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  Personal records of governing body members

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  i'm looking for web site links to credible information about present governing body members specifically personal tax and financial records (personal u.s. and offshore bank accounts, net worth, financial and real estate holdings, blind trusts).

  as public figures they're fair game..

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  > In Norway all information on tax, income and fortune is public knowledge and accessible on web sites etc.

  > So it is easy to get to know the economic situation of those working e.g. at bethel.

  > No surprise there....Those who have e.g. fortune, have most likeli inherited those funds.

  You made my point. In many countries all information on tax, income and fortune is public knowledge and accessible on web sites or through an inexpensive background check.

  I understand the reason nobody in Norway has posted the governing body's financial information on the web, is not out of respect for their privacy. They're public figures and fair game to having their finances exposed, as even the President of the United States has his finances publicized.

  The reason the governing body of Jehovah's Witness do not have their finances exposed, even in Norway, is because they do not exist on any accessible record. Even Barrack and Michelle Obama have their records publicized because, to state the obvious they have tax records, social security numbers, and other government records.

  How is it the members of the governing body have complete invisibility when even the President of the United States, and dictators of other countries with everything to hide, are completely opaque?

  Put in this perspective it makes a chill run up and down my spine. Why have government agencies including the FBI, CIA and IRS allowing these individuals to remain completely invisible, while running a multi-billion dollar religious corporation built on layer after layer of blind trusts at major U.S. and British banking concerns, taking full tax advantages afforded to all religions? Other religions are required to divulge the financial and tax records of their governing bodies. Even the Mormon church's apostles are a matter of public record... but not the governing body of JWs.

  Things that make you want to go "hmmm"...
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  Personal records of governing body members

  by TheBoss in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm looking for web site links to credible information about present governing body members specifically personal tax and financial records (personal u.s. and offshore bank accounts, net worth, financial and real estate holdings, blind trusts).

  as public figures they're fair game..

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  TheBoss

  > No money, no skills, no life, therefore no paper trail.

  Curious angle, Angie, they could disappear without a trace into NY state homeless shelters. It would be as if they never existed. Interesting double-edged sword dichotomy of the lives of those considering themselves modern-day anointed remnant Apostles of Jesus Christ. I doubt the early Christians turned out the Apostles to the streets of Jerusalem when they became too old and decrepit to continue preaching the good news.

  Out of curiosity, Angie, do you know if Ray Franz ever applied for a social security number? If so, did he apply later in life after his expulsion from Mother to survive outside the organization, or was he required to have one to get paid his monthly stipend at Bethel? The sad part is he likely never paid enough into the social security system to receive the maximum benefits. I doubt Mother paid a dime in payroll taxes for Watchtower corporation employees, I mean, Bethel volunteers.
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  Personal records of governing body members

  by TheBoss in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm looking for web site links to credible information about present governing body members specifically personal tax and financial records (personal u.s. and offshore bank accounts, net worth, financial and real estate holdings, blind trusts).

  as public figures they're fair game..

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  TheBoss

  This is in reply to those asking why I need to delve into the grapevine's underbrush to find information I as a financial executive should already know? Simple. I employ one of the best undercover investigators in her business, a former intelligence professional. This lady has caught teens with fearsome I.Q.'s with nothing better to occupy their time than to hack the company internal network hidden behind the best firewall money can buy. She has also brought certain, shall we say, domestic issues into the daylight, leading to remarkable Bible-based repentance, resolutions and new beginnings.

  That said, she has not only scrutinized the governing body, but tapped out her resources. No offshore accounts were found, for that matter, not even bank accounts or social security numbers. If she didn't satisfy her own curiosity they even existed by taking the Bethel Tours, she would swear in a court of law they do not exist. In all her years of investigations and covert operations, she is baffled beyond belief at their invisibility. The only evidence they exist is their presence behind the Watchtower castle walls and occasional diminishing appearances before groups of Witnesses. Fact of the matter is that stated with deliberate ambiguity, even her sources in governments of the world's two largest empires have nothing on them except for one agency that allegedly has file cabinets and encrypted files filled with intelligence on them. I asked her one day "what are these men, aliens from outer space" (while LOL) and she didn't seem to find my attempt at light hearted jest the least bit amusing.

  You might say my post on this bulletin board is like a roll of the dice, with extremely low probability of any payday in information, as you yourselves have confirmed with cynicism. I also know some of the most prolific ex-JWs in the world of very high net worth have considered information about Mother of this sort as the Holy Grail of potentially damning revelations, or possibly exoneration, about the true heartfelt motives and intentions of men on the governing body of Jehovah's people.

  By the way, a few years ago, she said that after getting "a little too close for comfort" on a Bethel Tour, a colleague at her offices found highly sophisticated surveillance devices, then in her home, both removed. They were on an anti-trust case so at first they wrote it off to corporate espionage, but methodically eliminated the list of suspects, leaving you know who. I heard rumors that elders and C.O.'s have found surveillance devices in their residences but could not trace the source.

  In any case I kept reaching dead-ends to blind alleys and have bigger distractions now the recession or depression is full on. My inquiry was serious but my motives were admittedly of the "what the heck, why not give it a shot?" nature. Ironically if anything goes up on the web will likely get ordered pulled down, considering Mother has eyes and ears on every JWesque type of web site. Well intentioned efforts to post confidential information seem to get stymied by Legal's efficient engine of inside information repression, before it ever gets to the counter-intelligence level.
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  Personal records of governing body members

  by TheBoss in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm looking for web site links to credible information about present governing body members specifically personal tax and financial records (personal u.s. and offshore bank accounts, net worth, financial and real estate holdings, blind trusts).

  as public figures they're fair game..

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  TheBoss

  I'm looking for web site links to credible information about present governing body members specifically personal tax and financial records (personal U.S. and offshore bank accounts, net worth, financial and real estate holdings, blind trusts). As public figures they're fair game.