he was abused by my dad really bad... i'm talking a broken nose, black eyes, black and blues all the time... my dad was a po for years and was one during the whole time he was abusing us.
of course, he was the worst with my brother.
my brother has always denied it and said it wasn't as bad as it was.
I think Oompa is very wise here.
Oompa over the past few months has been a wonderful example of how a person distraught and nearly incomprehensible out of anguish can learn to accept the cards they were delt, and begin the journey to an unburdened, unconflicted, and understanding individual.
Sometimes living requires some confusing and painful realizations.
- Lime
anyone had any experiences good or bad.
i'm interested in your stories.. .
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This thread has gotten nuts, all Warlock was doing was sharing an experience, back off. He's allowed to state his opinion. Warlock, consider the sources, keep on posting I like to hear what you have to say.
I fail to understand why everyone is defending such a mean-spirited person. I have made every effort to make my comments reasonable and respectful, in attempt to draw attention to the known physical forces that can account for many of these experiences. I have made every effort up to this point not to focus on the messanger, but the message. I have never said warlock has a "little mind", accused him of being a 'cult follower', told him to 'shut up', accused him of having ulterior motives, or called him a 'little bitch'. He has done all those things, in what could have been a completely civilized and interesting debate.
If you go back and re-read the first 2 pages of this thread, nobody specifically attacked warlock's story. We described a natural force that can account for many of these phonomena, but warlock took the mention of these things as a personal attack. Please, go back and re-read.
Warlock has not made any effort to be reasonable, respectful, or polite. He has insulted several people, demonstrated blatant hypocracy, flung accusations instead of researched information, and threatened people.
I frankly find it very unfortunate that his behavior is not only tollerated, but excused and defended on this forum. There is absolutely no reason he could not have discussed his experiences in a civilized manner.
- Lime
it's the 21st century mate!
there is no evidence for demons and ghosts!
people saying ouija boards really work because: "this one time...at band camp...." crap i say!
I don't have to produce proof for others to believe my own claims.
Then I certainly hope you can appreciate that at the same time, we (the others), are not obligated to believe your undemonstratable claims.
I may claim I own a bridge and can sell it to you at a reasonable price, but you would be foolish to hand over your money without first requesting to see said bridge and proof of my ownership.
- Lime
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This has become a flame war.
Where have I EVER stated that invisible entities do my thinking for me? Where?
Answer the question, please.
But, just for the sake of irony...
Too bad you need to have someone , anyone, think for you.
Where have I (or the other skeptical posters) claimed we needed "someone, anyone, [to] think for [us]"?
- Lime
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i'm interested in your stories.. .
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About 14 to 1 (me) and you are going to the "rules".
I'll take all 14 on, in an alley like Bruce Lee, you little bitch.
Being outnumbered in opinion has no bearing of the factual correctness of your argument.
Galileo's idea that the earth was not the center of the universe was not only contested, outnumbered, and unpopular - but Galileos himself was called many names, and eventually killed over his idea. Yet the facts he presented stood up to the test of repeated experiments and time. Darwin's theory of Evolution by Natural Selection has been frequently outnumbered in opposition, yet time and time again, in the court of law it has stood up to its many challenges becuase it is based on facts. To the contrary, many people have had unusual, contested, and outrageous ideas that did not stand up to the test of time. Not because they were alone in their opinion, but because they could not provide facts to back up their argument.
So, in your anger, feel free to call me any insulting name you like. The facts say everything, and my personal ego, be it a 'manly man' or a 'little bitch' has no bearing on them.
- Lime
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i'm interested in your stories.. .
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Did I ever say you have a 'little head'? I suggested that you might be prone to exaggeration while at the same time admitting that I myself am prone to the same exaggeration and miss-interpretation of the facts.
It is a simple fact of life, we do not know everything. But not knowing does not automatically mean that supernatural forces are at work. I may not know what card is next in a deck of cards.. but that does not mean a supernatural force is at work determining what card will be delt next.
We cannot adamantly claim we know every relevant fact in an experience. I do not know why it rained at my house yesterday, but not my friend's house 1/4 mile away. I do not know why both my brother and I both recall the same event from our childhood from the same perspective, even though only one of us could have had that perspective. I know some things, but I do not know a lot more things, and I have the humility to admit that.
Do not feel persecuted just because someone does not believe that your personal account (a single, limited perspective) adequately conveys and covers all the facts in a way that we must conclude supernatural forces are at work. I certainly do not feel persecuted just because my brother's recount of an experience conflicts with my own. I accept the fact that we both are imperfect, our minds are imperfect, and that just because I remember something some way, does not make it fact.
You recall your experiences and conclude that it is a supernatural event. From your current knowledge and immediate perspective, it may not be unreasonable for you to think that. However, that does not make it fact. Why would you expect or require that everyone else accept your conclusion based on a limited-perspective account? Why would you be offended that other people disagree with your experience or conclusions, and then insult them and say they have 'little heads' because they don't agree? You are claiming things that challenge humanity's fundamental understanding of the forces of nature, while providing no evidence or formula to refine our understanding with.
It takes a humility to realize that all of our brains, including my own brain, are not perfect - that they subject to many false positives. Anyone with any sort of harmful addiction is a victim of a false positive. Their brain sees the world in an incomplete and highly biased way. Facts are the only foundation we have to any sort of shared understanding, because facts are indisputable.
To insult someone because they request facts when you cannot provide any is an unreasonable thing to do. You are insulting the very people who have the humility to realize that all of our brains - including the requestor's - are easily deceived. 1 + 1 = 2, and it always will equal 2. And those sort of facts are the only foundation we can build upon if we wish to see reality for what it is, and not what our imperfect and biased minds tell us it is.
- Lime
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i'm interested in your stories.. .
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Strange how Warlock has been persecuted for sharing his experience, as the thread invites?!
Compare with:
As for the rest of you, just because the Watchtower hurt your little heads, you had to join the "science cult".
Too bad you need to have someone , anyone, think for you.Penn and Teller, The Great Randi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
More power to them, as they lead you like sheep in their thinking....................like the Watchtower did.
Also compare with:
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- Lime
what sort of entity requires the blood sacfrice of millions of animals and his own son to satiate his sense of justice.. .
An entity made up by man. :P
- Lime
my top ten or about that : ( not necessarily in order ).
jaws.
the green mile.
My Favorites:
anyone had any experiences good or bad.
i'm interested in your stories.. .
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A man with an experience is NEVER captive to a man with an argument.
Lol, tell that to all the "Jesus Christs" sitting in psychiatric hospitals.
- Lime
