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  I want serious answers from WT leaders, possible?

  by Powermetal4ever in

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  what would happen if i would write a physical letter to, for example, the branch office.

  and ask questions about scandals like the ngo thing and other stuff?

  or ask questions about wtbs economy, or ask for a annual report, which is something i would really like to read.

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  Heaven

  You might as well poke your eye out with a blunt stick.
  
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  The Case for Theism

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.

  " ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.

  atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.

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  Heaven

  And... here is Zeus' updated look:

  
  
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  New David Splane Video: No 1900 Year Faithful Slave

  by FusionTheism in

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  2. bible

  governing body member david splane has a new video on tv.jw.org where he talks about all the horrible things committed by martin luther and the protestant reformers.. his conclusion is that there has been no faithful and discreet slave on the earth during the past 1900 years (before 1919 i guess.).

  he also says that maybe there were a few anointed on earth, maybe not.. he did add an interesting statement that he doesn't condemn the other churches just for misunderstanding the bible because the society has done that.. another odd point, was that he actually mentioned catholic missionary work in a somewhat positive light, while totally condemning the reformation views on predestination..

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  Heaven

  FMF said: Also I believe doctrine has been replaced with a labyrinth of fantastic ideas no R&F can follow or explain.

  In 2010, my Dad told me he has no idea what they are talking about anymore. I was happy dancing on the inside as I knew this cult's days with my Dad were numbered.
  
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  Governing Body Mandating That Parents Shun DF'd Preteens Baptized Children Will Hurt Them Big Time In The Courts

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  as the bad conduct of the governing body becomes widely known to both judge and jury i expect that will make lawsuits more profitable against them and easier wins against them and more plentiful.. i think probably one of the most damming videos out there on the net is the one where the parents show their loyalty to the wt corporation and shun their own flesh and blood in obedience to it cruel directives.

  this video truely shows that the governing body don't give a shit about the children who symbolize their dedication to the corporation or their parents.. such a self serving corporation that uses it members for profits only and offer nothing in return no matter how much how much they claim otherwise.

  they can't hide this it is plain as day so no matter how much they claim they are concerned about the youth in the organization their action thunder loudly and can not be hiden under a basket.

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  Heaven

  In our family, our parents withdrawal from us (luckily they did not outright shun us as none of us were baptized) did not work like this case presented in the video.
  

  NONE of us kids are JWs. NONE of us ever will be JWs.

  But Mom is dead now and Dad has dementia.

  Dad left the JWs because his mind is no longer capable of being a JW.

  This religion dies out in our immediate family once Dad goes.
  
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  Disfellowshipping Image

  by naazira in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

  why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

  just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

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  Heaven

  The Borg is all about conditional love.
  
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  The Case for Theism

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  "theism" here means "belief in a god" or "the worldview that an intelligent designer created the universe and life.

  " ("god" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth)the most common claim that i see atheists making on twitter, is that "no evidence" exists in support of belief in a god.this post will remove any excuse atheists have for claiming "no evidence exists" in support of an initiator.

  atheists can still reject this evidence as "weak," but they cannot truthfully say it does not exist.now, it is true that we do not have "observable, repeatable, falsifiable, empirical, scientific" evidence conclusively proving that an initiator exists, but we do have many lines of philisophical, experiential, and logical evidence.and... here... we... go:1:) many leading scientists, including stephen hawking, say that the space-time-matter universe had a beginning at the singularity/big bang.

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  Heaven

  From the OP: "God" here means a being with a mind who initiated and/or wound-up the universe, and designed life on earth.

  Ok, so I'm taking it here you are speaking of the Greek god "Zeus" then.

  The presiding deity of the universe, ruler of the skies and the earth, Zeus was regarded by the Greeks as
  the god of all natural phenomena on the sky; the personification of the laws of nature; the ruler of the state;
  and finally, the father of gods and men.
  
  Using his shield, the Aegis, Zeus could create all natural phenomena related to the air and the sky, such as
  storms, tempests, and intense darkness. At his command, mighty thunders would flash and lightnings
  would roll, wreaking havoc; or the skies would open to rejuvenate the earth with life-giving water.
  
  As the personification of the operations of nature, he represented the grand laws of unchanging and harmonious order, by which both the natural and the spiritual world were governed. He was the god of
  regulated time as marked by the changing seasons and the regular succession of day and night, in
  contrast to what his father Cronus represented before him; absolute time, i.e. eternity.
  
  As the ruler of the state, he was the source of kingly power, the upholder of all institutions connected to the
  state, and the friend and patron of princes, whom he guarded and assisted with his advice and counsel.
  He was also the protector of the people, and watched over the welfare of the whole community.
  
  As the father of the gods, Zeus ascertained that each deity perform their individual duty, punished their
  misdeeds, settled their disputes, and acted towards them on all occasions as their all-knowing counsellor
  and mighty friend.
  
  As the father of men, he took a paternal interest in the actions and well-being of mortals. He watched over
  them with tender solicitude, rewarding truth, charity, and fairness, while severely punishing perjury and
  cruelty. Even the poorest and most forlorn wanderer could find a powerful advocate in Zeus, for he, as a
  wise and merciful paternal figure, demanded that the wealthy inhabitants of the earth be attentive to the
  needs of their less fortunate fellow citizens.

  Zeus is also called Jupiter, Dias.

  He overthrew his father, Cronus, and then drew lots with his brothers Poseidon and Hades, in order to
  decide who would succeed their father on the throne. Zeus won the draw and became the supreme ruler of
  the gods, as well as lord of the sky and rain. His weapon was a thunderbolt which he hurled at those who
  displeased or defied him, especially liars and oathbreakers. He was married to Hera but often tested her
  patience, as he was infamous for his many affairs.

  
  

  
  
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  New (non)-Witnessing Model

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, one of the kids on reddit posted this video - an evangelist trying to witness to guardians of the cart.

  (both sides are fairly respectful imo).

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbc9c4ajly&feature=youtu.be.

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  Heaven

  Jehovah's WItnesses do not know the Bible. Their role is to recruit people into the Borg.

  They are not interested in talking to people about the Bible. They want to talk to people who know nothing about the Bible so they can convince these people that Botchtower's interpretation of the Bible is the one True message and that they are the one True religion speaking for the one True God.
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  Disfellowshipping Image

  by naazira in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  this photo can be found in the april 15 , study edition article titled:.

  why disfellowshipping is a loving provision.

  just by looking at this image we can see how quickly the barrier between the congregation and former member is put up, after the announcement that this sister is no longer one of jehovah's witneses.

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  Heaven

  Botchtower... they shoot their wounded.
  
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  Paraplegic JW example used at assemblies

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  it seems like every time our circuit failed to meet the field service goals set by our co, the very next circuit assembly would invariably include a talk that mentions a chronically ill paraplegic sister who would dial the phone with her tongue to make return visits or conduct bible studies... i must have heard this experience at least 6 or 7 times in the past 20 years or so.

  and every time i heard this recycled talk, they would add even more guilt-inducing twists to it.

  to me, it eventually became way to difficult to believe...

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  Heaven

  Is this Andre's sister by any chance?

  (Okay I believe the Andre thing now.)
  
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  Man with unusual anti-body has donated blood every week for 60 years, saving an estimated 2 million babies.

  by 1tMakesNoSence in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  well, i guess some one has to do some thing since jehovah hates babies.. .

  http://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2015/05/22/spc-vital-signs-miracle-blood-b.cnn.

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  Heaven

  Rhesus Disease, among many others, is evidence that an Intelligent Creator/Designer is a crock.
  

  Millions of people in Australia call James Harrison a hero. Jehovah's Witnesses think he makes Jehovah sad.

  How can anyone accept a symbol of life being more important than life itself? Oh right, that's Jehovah's Witnesses.

  What an awesome man James Harrison is. Thank Goodness James is NOT a JW!