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  ARC: why the contstant secrecy?

  by SecretSlaveClass in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  anyone watching the inquiry would have heard the org's attorney asking that the documents outlining the stucture and mechanics of the wbts be kept confidential.

  all this subversive and clandestine behavior is not helping their image.

  what do you all suppose is potentially damnimg in these documents?

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  I'd say there can be a couple of reasons:

  1) They have something they don't want publicly known or at least known by JWs.

  2) They want it to appear they have uber important info. in order to maintain their level of importance and therefore control over JWs.

  Secrecy is usually a tool maintained and used by leaders of a group to ensure a certain level of control over the members of that group.

  I suspect an update to the Flock book will have to be made as it is now public. That was their uber secret elder handbook which is not so secret any longer (even though we all had access to it years ago too).
  
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  Is Geoffrey W. Jackson a "ringer"? Was he sent coached how to testify? Is this a setup? I think so.

  by Wasanelder Once in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  if you have heard g. jackson speak you can tell that he is smooth.

  he is a good speaker with a commanding voice.

  i think the gb knew this was going to happen and prepped him to testify.

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  It seems rather odd that one of the mouthpieces of Jehovah would be afraid of a little secular commission? After all, Jackson has the Almighty on his side who can channel advice to him at will!

  Once again, things aren't adding up here.
  
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  Cult Free Radio RETURNS

  by Mad Sweeney in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  half the people here have probably never heard of it in the first place.

  nevertheless, it's coming back.

  this saturday at 10pm eastern time.

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  Cool!
  
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  The cruelty of shunning now being exposed rc

  by poopie in

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  2. friends

  let justice roll forth.

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  If shunning is a loving provision from Jehovah, then he's a d!ckhead. Something I also concluded when I was a teenager.
  
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  Mandatory reporting and misprision

  by Xanthippe in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  day 7 of the australian royal commission has chair justice peter mcclellan raising the point that i have been wondering about all along, which is, how can these elders not report child abuse to the authorities especially when a full confession has taken place?.

  justice mcclellan asked toole, the wts's lawyer, if he is aware that there is a difference between an organisation being required to have mandatory reporting of child abuse to the authorities and misprision which is the concealment of a felony, itself a criminal offence?

  toole says he is aware of it now but he wasn't before!

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  I'm still trying to wrap my head around how a lawyer can be ignorant of the law...

  edited to add.... and then admits that he is.

  This is astounding. I think I have to agree. Disbarment of this man should be considered.
  
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  ROYAL COMMISSION: ARE JWS TAUGHT TO REFRAIN FROM SWEARING ON THE BIBLE OR NOT? JW.ORG PLEASE EXPLAIN!

  by steve2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  during yesterday's rc proceedings (wednesday 5th august 2015), one of the victim's lawyers questioned mr vincent toole, the jw organization's legal counsel for the australian branch office.

  she asked him why at least two of the jw elders who gave evidence last week refused to swear on the bible.

  mr toole appear puzzled by her question and said he did not know.

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  3rdgen is probably on to something there. Either that or they know the Bible is bogus:

  
  
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  Why aren't the Governing Body members being investigated in the ARC?

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  when there's a malfunction in a product that causes an injury or death, the head of the corporation is held accountable not the salesmen selling the product.

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  why aren't the governing body members being investigated when they are the root cause of the child abuse issues and the re-victimization that takes place after?.

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  lol @ sir82!
  
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  Why aren't the Governing Body members being investigated in the ARC?

  by Illuminated in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  when there's a malfunction in a product that causes an injury or death, the head of the corporation is held accountable not the salesmen selling the product.

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  why aren't the governing body members being investigated when they are the root cause of the child abuse issues and the re-victimization that takes place after?.

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  I do not believe the Royal Commission of Australia has jurisdiction in the U.S.

  That being said, since Jackson is in Australia, he is being asked to appear. This will be a defining moment. Let's see what kind of a weasel Jackson is.

  The JWs who have been testifying as well as the JW lawyers have already tried to convince the RC that the GB would not be of any use to these hearings which is a big fat lie.
  
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  [Day 7 - 5/8]The Royal Commissions investigation of child sexual abuse within Jehovah’s Witnesses. + VIDEO

  by C0ntr013r in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i give you day 7 of the royal commissions proceedings:.

  part 1 has been uploaded and part 2 and 3 will soon be available.. part 1:.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk0lgqedy_i.

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  While I am hopeful I do remain skeptical that Jackson will actually appear. These guys are Teflon Men... slippery-er than a snake.

  I think it is reasonable to assume that Jackson will have some reason other than 'Dad's not well' for not showing or he'll high tail it outta Dodge.
  
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  The Australian: Women to 'Never Rule' in Jehovah's church

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/women-to-never-rule-in-jehovahs-church/story-fn3dxiwe-1227470092202.

  august 4, 2015 annette blackwell.

  a jehovah's witness official says the church's stance to never let women hold decision-making roles compares to muslim and aboriginal people adhering to their own ancient beliefs.

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  d4g... along those same lines is this quote from Christopher Hitchens on poverty and women:

  "The cure for poverty has a name, in fact: it's called the empowerment of women. If you give women some control over the rate at which they reproduce, if you give them some say, take them off the animal cycle of reproduction to which nature and some doctrine—religious doctrine condemns them, and then if you'll throw in a handful of seeds perhaps and some credit, the floor of everything in that village, not just poverty, but education, health, and optimism will increase. It doesn't matter; try it in Bangladesh, try it in Bolivia, it works—works all the time. Name me one religion that stands for that, or ever has. Wherever you look in the world and you try to remove the shackles of ignorance and disease stupidity from women, it is invariably the clericy that stands in the way, or in the case of—now, furthermore, if you are going to grant this to Catholic charities, say, which I would hope are doing a lot of work in Africa, if I was a member of a church that had preached that AIDS was not as bad as condoms, I'd be putting some conscience money into Africa too, I must say." --Christopher Hitchens