let me first say that i believe in god, in jesus and the holy spirit.
therefore to hear the watchtower liken us who have been df, ( in our case asking questions about u.n. paedophiles 607 etc ) liken us to the first apostate the devil i find them judgmental in the extreme, not surprised but very offensive.. thanks to "flipper" with his thread i have decided to ban my brother in law from coming to my home, this year he intends to come over from spain where the need is great, ............the wine.and the beaches very nice too.. he is going to visit his mother who now because of dementia lives with us.. he will not be allowed on my premises at all, he will pick mum up at the front gate.. as a witness you must accept what the so called boffins tell you.. therefore if he can align himself with thinking that way, of his sister and myself then he is not welcome.. i will only accept him in my home when he gets out of her (babylon the great).
kt.
Kaytee, what if he arrives bearing gifts? Duty free wine? At least take the pressies first, or open the wine, get him relaxed after a few drinks and coerce him into signing a document renouncing his beliefs as a jw.......
Mattieu - where the rain in spain always lands on the apostates.....
i always did.
it was like clock work a few days after.
bang sore throat sometime fever etc..
Everyone would, always coughs and colds and migraines (from the stress of parking 60 miles away from the assembly location and lugging prams and bags through mud and rain... ahh, good times!) No seriously, they used to pick an arena with car parking under cover for "privileged brothers" and the rest of us would battle each other for muddy car parking spots...
Mattieu.
PS - WO, I stopped shaking hands too. And oh, open mouth kissing as well, but that wasn't from the germ factor, it was based on strong counsel from the elders!
i've been lurking on the sidelines for a while and have decided to jump in and introduce myself.
the name kinda gives it away.
i'm a lifer who got a shocker about a year ago by stumbling across the 607 baloney.
Hi onefootout (that sounds like an American Indian name, "hi me twobigfeetin, this my son chief onefootout....")
G'day and welcome
Mattieu.
my wife and i recently heard about two couples we know who switched partners in the past.
we then got to talking about a different couple we ate dinner with a while back who i thought gave off the vibe of wanting to swing.
my wife said she got that vibe too... thus the question: how common is this in wt-land?.
Penny2,
I didn't think the congregation would be big enough to have any scandals!
Thats the problem, the congo was small and mainly just a few families and some individuals who went to "serve molest where the need is great"
Again, it was swept under the carpet. Apart from an MS being removed, I do not think anything was done about it. It all unfolded just before the big International convention when SA came over to Melbourne, 2000/1 I think.
does anyone remember the scandal that rocked fiji in appx early 1992?
i have searched this site and found no reference to it.
so, hoping someone here might remember the finer details and whatever happened to the guilty culprits....... my best mate was in the australian bethel at the time, and on a trip back home to melbourne he caught up with me and told me most of the details.
Does anyone remember the scandal that rocked Fiji in appx early 1992? I have searched this site and found no reference to it. So, hoping someone here might remember the finer details and whatever happened to the guilty culprits......
My best mate was in the Australian bethel at the time, and on a trip back home to Melbourne he caught up with me and told me most of the details. From memory the entire Fijian branch comittee was removed and df'd. They were supposed to have been smudging the books and adding in phantom publishers to make the country report card look good. If someone could check the old year books or w/t's, I think you will find they went through a stage where they kept having record publisher peaks month after month. I remember those peaks being mentioned in the Australan k/m at the time.
At the time, (not sure if this system is still in place) third world countries like Fiji, were getting monetary grants on a per publisher basis, so by pushing up the publisher figures, more $$$ was coming into the Fijian branch. The comittee members then went out with the excess funds and bought each other brand new luxury cars and fine clothing for them and lovely lady wives.... Local brothers in Suva were "stumbled" by the excessive luxuries that was beiing shown and started to grumble. Things came undone on a zone visit and all got revealed.
The brother sent from Sydney to clean up the mess from a legal viewpoint was best mates with my mate (lots of mates i know) and spilled all over a drink when he returned to Australia. A special pioneer couple I know were sent from Melbourne to serve a c/o in Fiji, I caught up with them when I went to Fiji in 97 and when I asked him about it, he said they dont talk about it anymore. I did tour bethel in Suva and found all the bethelites to be really nice native Fijians, sincere, genuine and not having much material possesions (our tour guide was wearing a coke t-shirt and yes I have the photo!) so the buying of brand new cars would have gone down like Michael Jackson taking the emblems...
So if anyone knows more, do tell.
Mattieu.
my wife and i recently heard about two couples we know who switched partners in the past.
we then got to talking about a different couple we ate dinner with a while back who i thought gave off the vibe of wanting to swing.
my wife said she got that vibe too... thus the question: how common is this in wt-land?.
Hopscotch,
Sounds like they were eating to much of Flo's scones! Which part of Oz are you in?
Mattieu............ in sunny Melbourne, nah, grey and raining today!
my wife and i recently heard about two couples we know who switched partners in the past.
we then got to talking about a different couple we ate dinner with a while back who i thought gave off the vibe of wanting to swing.
my wife said she got that vibe too... thus the question: how common is this in wt-land?.
Penny2, funny but true!!! I was actually on the phone to my mate (sort of a fader) in Adelaide this morning. I know a few in/from Adelaide that I am sure you would know of too. Do you know of the scandals that rocked Kanagroo Island a number of years ago?
Mattieu
my wife and i recently heard about two couples we know who switched partners in the past.
we then got to talking about a different couple we ate dinner with a while back who i thought gave off the vibe of wanting to swing.
my wife said she got that vibe too... thus the question: how common is this in wt-land?.
There have been quite a few documented cases of swinging down under.... and in Australia too!
I know 2 c/o's who got the chop due to personal shepherding calls on the circuit. Though it doesnt count as swinging as the c/o's wife wasnt playing the game. One of the c/o's had 7 women in 7 different congos and no I am not making that one up!!! He got caught out after giving a talk at a district convention in Melbourne back around 1991. He was giving the usual holier than thou talk including the danger of immorality. One of the sisters he was knocking on doors with (she lived in Albury NSW), felt so ashamed she went to the convention chairmans office and poured her heart out to one of the visiting bethel bros.
It all came to a head (no pun intended) and the c/o was df'd, left his wife and moved to Western Australia with one of the sisters he was sleeping with (from Kyabram Victoria). I should stop here but it gets juicier...... All of the sisters he was sleeping with were single sisters/single mums. The son of the sister the c/o ran away with was my mate, he was pioneering too and shattered as his mum was now df'd and his mum later married that c/o, so his mum and new step dad were both df'd.
To help the small congregation in Kyabram get over the controversy, bethel sent down from Sydney a young couple who were both pioneering and hubby was elder. My mate was an m/s and only pioneer in this country congo. Yep you guessed it, my mate and the wife of this pioneer elder soon started doing rv's in secluded country areas (she offered more than a shoulder to cry on!) Him - df'd, she - reproved and went back to Sydney with hubby in tow (he left her in the end).
The other c/o that I know of was a newly appointed c/o who loved himself way tooooo much..... (he was my boss at the assemblies) He left Melbourne with his wife bound for his first assignment in sunny Perth. Oh oh, dearie me, attending one of these congregations in his circuit was a married sister that he fooled around with some 25 years ago when they were both single. Whatever shall we do?? I know, lets take up from where we left of! Which they did, it only lasted a few weeks before she confessed and he was removed halfway through a visit. Shortest ever stint as a c/o in Australia (3 months).
Good times, good times......
soooo... since i'm still on 'probation', i have a lotta time to kill in between my 24-hour sentences until i am once again, allowed to enter the inner sanctum.
so i've been busy... .
i'm gonna need some help with this but thought i'd show you my first rough draft... let me know what you think.
Heaven,
I yelled out BINGO! during the opening prayer, does that count???
Mattieu.
we had a brother once in my sisters' hall who would preach downtown with old watchtowers and awakes, i mean like 15 year old magazines, and he would sell them above cost.
even after the donation system went info effect, he would still sell them.
the elders tried to talk to him about it, but he could never really have a normal conversation.
During a Sunday w/t study article on "Masturbation" a single brother in his mid twenties put his hand up (in the air) and said how much this article has helped him overcum his addiction to masturbation!!!! Needless to say, no-one wanted to touch the microphone after he handed it back.... We went back to his apartment after the meeting with a CSI blue UV torch, man that guy wasnt joking when he said he was addickted!
We also had an rv come to the hall who suffered from epilepsy, he kept on having seizures on a Tuesday night at the hall and I mean every Tuesday night. It got to the point where all us attendents knew the paremedics on a first name basis. An elder asks this r/v why he is having seizures only a Tuesday night, the r/v said 'the demons tell me not to take my medication on a Tuesday"
I have lots more loony tune stories, though will be identified too easily if I keep going!
Stay sane, Mattieu.
