alright guys,.
i'm going to suck up my pride, apologize to those that i offended, promise to not be insulting anymore, and let bygones be bygones.
i know that there will be people here that will make fun of me coming back after such a dramatic exit (i.e.
Welcome back BD!
This place is very helpful. I lurked for a long time before I posted and now read a lot more than I post. The info here is priceless.
VIII, who didn't really mean to call you a Namby-Pambyland boo hoo Drama Queen but likes the thread title.
did you ever tell the elders that you knew of "wrongdoing" or that you knew a certain person wasn't adhering to the rules?.
WT Doctrine: If a JW knows about a gross sin, but does not approach the guilty party or the elders about the matter, Jehovah will kill the person who didn't rat at Armageddon.
This just kills me.
A *Gross Sin*. They classify everything as a gross sin. Again, how could anyone with any clarity of mind, not see this as crazy?
Oh, I have an answer: CULT.
I know, I know, let it go.
I'm trying. Really.
did you ever tell the elders that you knew of "wrongdoing" or that you knew a certain person wasn't adhering to the rules?.
I have thought about it-a lot.
That is why I'm on this board.
Now, these same self-righteous POS are liberal, abortion loving, atheists, as Ex-JWs. W-T-F?
Seriously, I am as liberal as the next Ex-JW, probably more than most. I've done more than my fair share of wild-living. However, I have never, ever deemed myself someone who would *tell on* someone else. For anything short of molestation, rape, murder, etc. Crimes, not morals. Make sense?
I've seen first hand the absolute horrific damage that DFing does to someone. My mom was thisclose to suicide while DFd.
When someone is willing to tell on someone for something like dancing to close or they *think* Brother X was tipsy at a wedding, I am just amazed that now they turn on the news and believe anything they hear. Amazed.
Telling on someone (for such minor infractions) to gain favor with the Elders or with Jehovah is so crazy it is beyond comprehension. I knew that when I was 15. I knew that. How can an adult not see that?
did you ever tell the elders that you knew of "wrongdoing" or that you knew a certain person wasn't adhering to the rules?.
Finking on yourself is worse.
Uh, yeah. She wanted to clear her conscience. I told her since she had told me, wasn't that good enough? She said that since they were like Priests, she would feel better. And, since she had only done *it* once, she would never be DFd, she'd be privately reproved. I begged, I pleaded etc. She insisted that the Brothers would be fair.
Well DUH!!
She was promply DFd and this was in the days of reading it from the platform and the whole "Sister X is DFd for Conduct Unbecoming a Christian". They pretty much said she committed fornication!
We were at the KH, everyone stopped, turned, looked stared, glared and we just sat there. It was painful. At the end of the meeting everyone ignored us. Two nights before my BFF Kathy was speaking to me, that night, nada. She looked right through me.
None of my relatives would speak to me. Or her. Her sisters cut her off. Everyone cut us off.
I recall people getting *Finked* on others for the most ridiculous stuff-like listed above: Brother Z was drunk!
Who the Funk made any of you the alcohol police? Who made any of you the dancing too fast police?
Fucking crazy mind-controlled, brain-washed idiots, that's who.
Anyone who did is a self-righteous hypocrite. IMO.
did you ever tell the elders that you knew of "wrongdoing" or that you knew a certain person wasn't adhering to the rules?.
If you did, you are a POS, IMO.
I don't care why. I recall begging my mom to not go confess her *sin* to the elders. She did and got DFd. One time she did something. Once. I was 15 YO and begged and pleaded and told her they would DF her and BAM! she was gone.
I ended up having to be her mother for the next 6 months while she fell into a grand depression. I had to grocery shop on my bike, cook, clean, etc, all because those M-fers DFd her. She would lie in bed and sob about how they ruined her life.
She ended up getting reinstated and is now worse than ever with "The end of the system is here...."
Oh, and did I mention the shunning of all family members while she was DFd? Yeah, I was shunned too by extention. Nice. I had no worldly friends, nor any JW friends.
I H-A-T-E those people.
Can you tell?
i, for my part, strongly encourage brotherdan to stay here on jwn and to the extent possible, contribute as needed depending on his schedule.
i value his thoughful posts.
please, type and post, 'yes, i agree' or 'no, i do not'.
What james_woods said +1
Namby-Pambyland boo hoo Drama Queen
should america apologize for hiroshima?.
http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/apologize-for-hiroshima/.
bangalore.
No
my school was a couple weeks back, and it was interesting to a degree.
to be honest with you, it reminded me of a police crime scene investigation with yellow tape.
what i mean is, in one respect it was business as usual.
Great information MLE. Thanks for everyone's comments; this will help me dealing with my family.
does anyone have any idea why birds are literally dropping dead from the sky in four or five states.
and even in sweden,hundreds of birds are dead.
and fish are turning up dead too,not only in the states,but also brazil and new zealand.. they're trying to say new year's eve fireworks frightened the birds to death.
Thank Jah I saved those Watchtowers and Awake! mags my Mom sent me.
I'm going to go read them under the blankets.
Then I'm going to go sign back up for an in home Bible Study.
j/k
But, it has crossed all of your minds, hasn't it?
Remember, IT'S A CULT!!!!!
well i'm 22 years old, still in college, i live with my mom but she is driving me crazy with her jw nonsense, ive been dealing with it all my life and i really cant take anymore of this, i have a boyfriend, non jw (which my mom hates) and i could barely see him because she doesnt let me go out!
we have 4 years together and i really dont want to keep on like this, im not baptized but i am a publisher.... .
so the thing is, i want to move out with my boyfriend but i have no idea how to break the news to her, she drives me nuts but shes my mother and i love her, i dont want to hurt her but enough is enough...she's probably going to disown me, but i really just want to be happy already...so does anybody have any ideas what i can do?.
Well, having been in similar circumstance at your age, I would first do more than decide that you are going to live together.
How are you going to pay your bills?
Who is signing the lease? Both? One of you? If you (or he) decides that the living arrangement doesen't work out to either of your satisfations, what will you do? Move back in with Mummy?
Believe me, that would be the worst.
Is she supporting you in any way, shape or form? How will you support yourself if you lose your Mom or your boyfriend?
Do you have student loans? How will you pay those after graduation?
I know I sound like a kill-joy, however, I got zero advice and had to move into the worst dive because I absolutely would not move in with my JW Mom. I lived in a literal ghetto hovel with revolving roommates due to my money issues.
However, it was better than living with a rabid JW. And, I paid all my bills. Then I moved in with my boyfriend. 2 years later. When I knew I could do it on my own. That was the key.
Can you? Can you survive without anyone helping you?
