Posts by lurk3r

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What's the point?

by Chalam in

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so i had a knock at the door this morning.

had a late one on here last night so i was still asleep.

ran down stairs thinking it was a delivery as i was expecting a couple of packages.

lurk3r

So I felt pretty bad that I had wasted my time and nothing to show

You didn't waste your time Chalam, not in my opinion. You spent it talking about your faith, it was good for you; and for them. It makes your faith stronger, and perhaps you may have "left a little something" for them to think about. As frustrating as it may have been "going in circles", you never know if you may have played a part in the bigger picture of their lives.

It seems very fitting, that I take the time out to thank someone. 18 years ago...before the Proclaimers book came out, I attended a District Convention in Toronto. Walking outside of the Gardens with big plaques, were some apostates. No one needed to tell me they were evil...cause i already knew. As much as I WANTED to look up at their signs, I couldn't bring myself. Perhaps this apostate sensed this, and he, along with his companion walked behind me and had a "conversation" with each other. I tried my best to ignore and shut out what they were saying but there was one word that stuck out at the time. Beth-Sarim.(or is that 2 words?lol) These slanderous liars were trying to break my faith. They were evil. Satan was using THEM to get to ME! I dare not breathe the word Beth-Sarim.

Im sure ANYONE who brought that name up, and the story behind Beth-Sarim, BEFORE the Proclaimers book was published,was tried and publicly "executed" right there on the spot. Years later and ONLY to cover their ass, Beth Sarim gets put to paper and print, "officially". But just barely...since it was official now, but not the whole story behind it, I looked it up on the internet, cause deep down, I wanted more. Even after reading it, I STILL couldnt believe it all. I have "hung" onto the "truth" in one way or another in my mind ...until now. Thanks to you all and a thank you to the "apostate" that originally planted the seed. You KNEW it would get to me...you didn't know it would take so long.

lurk3r

I wrote that a while back...you just reminded me of it, and i thought i would share it again...you never know.

Mind me not replying to the thread that we were chatting on before Chalam..ill get back there one of these days soon...not avoiding it, Im just letting it come to me. Actually, I DID reply to it, and then i hit a wrong key and lost it all. Grrr. Ill get back.

So Chalam. When you talked with these ones, did you just use your bible? Did you arm yourself with some of the things you have learned here? Not to beat a dead horse, but "experience" counts. As powerful as the bible is, it often works better to "step out of the box" to get your point across.Quote as MANY scriptures as you like, and your very likely to get nowhere. once again, no ffense

lurk3r

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Your Favorite Music Videos?

by Yizuman in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhsda9_hsla.

that female backdrop singers, the one in the white dress, that's deborah jo billingsly.

the cool gypsy look is really just the southern belle coming through.

lurk3r

this one starts out amazing...but its still my favorite even though it tapers off rather quickly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmVut-WMlHo

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IF THIS IS TRUE IT IS MASSIVE!!!!!!!!

by Hobo Ken in

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i was speaking to a family member who is still a jw in very good standing and she told me that last week she was told by an elder of very good repute in my old congregation this:-.

he has been told that any of the current governing body when they die will not be replaced!!!!!!!!!!.

i cannot even begin to take this in!.

lurk3r

Maybe their gonna turn it all over to Prince. heh.

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IF THIS IS TRUE IT IS MASSIVE!!!!!!!!

by Hobo Ken in

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i was speaking to a family member who is still a jw in very good standing and she told me that last week she was told by an elder of very good repute in my old congregation this:-.

he has been told that any of the current governing body when they die will not be replaced!!!!!!!!!!.

i cannot even begin to take this in!.

lurk3r

***It stands to reason, that with the 144 000 "increasing"...perhaps they are going to have to do SOMETHING. Perhaps they see, that since us apostates see how much of a JOKE the whole system is, maybe its just a matter of time till the r&f start asking some of these "simple" questions. If it IS true, they will be getting a lesson from us "FADERS". How ironic. They are probaly learning from US!!

lurk3r

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SHOCK! As A Family Of 5 Is DF'd On The Same Night!!!

by african GB Member in

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the whole congregation came to a complete and utter shock as a family of 5 was df'd on the same night.... apparently the father was to be df'd for apostacy.

he was given a chance to appeal.

went home to discuss it with family.

lurk3r

That's nothing in my congregation Simese con-joined twins......one got disfellowshiped for apostasy the other decided they should be surgically seperated...they both died because the faithful one refused blood!!!
Re: SHOCK! As A Family Of 5 Is DF'd On The Same Night!!! posted about 3 hours ago (4/20/2009)
witness007- is that a ture story? This is fantastic!!!LOL I don't know which one is funnier here, but my god! HAHAHA

That's nothing in my congregation Simese con-joined twins......one got disfellowshiped for apostasy the other decided they should be surgically seperated...they both died because the faithful one refused blood!!!

Re: SHOCK! As A Family Of 5 Is DF'd On The Same Night!!! posted about 3 hours ago (4/20/2009)

witness007- is that a ture story?

This is fantastic!!!LOL I don't know which one is funnier here, but my god! HAHAHA

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"Inspired bicycles"...check this OUT! amazing stuff

by lurk3r in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z19zflpah-o.

lurk3r

bttt - It really IS worth watching!

at 4:15 the guy HAD to bend his rim!!!!

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Things The WATCHTOWER never taught you - How much do you need to retire?

by Nathan Natas in

i'm going to weasel a bit on this and just say in opening that it is probably more than you think it is.. too many people imagine that social security is going to take care of them.

then they are shocked - shocked!

- to discover that the retirement dreams they had have evaporated.. for the benefit of others, what amount do you think is a reasonable amount to provide for your retirement, and how would that retirement egg be used?.

lurk3r

Nathan. I really like these financial posts your doing here lately...definitely things worth thinking about.

lurk3r

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"Inspired bicycles"...check this OUT! amazing stuff

by lurk3r in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z19zflpah-o.

lurk3r

I am down to 4 posts....and i best save em for other reply's....but that video is mind boggling. Those bikes are majorly tricked out. Those rims alone must cost a fortune, HUGE impacts.

I laughed out loud when they do a trick...and then poeple run to the edge to make sure their ok!

Sic vid.

LOL at "losing your religion" - fantastic!

I like the beginning of that song too. "Im coming up only...to hold..you under."

lurk3r

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"Inspired bicycles"...check this OUT! amazing stuff

by lurk3r in

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z19zflpah-o.

lurk3r

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z19zFlPah-o

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Kundalini "the 'original' coiled serpent"...anyone here familiar with it?

by lurk3r in

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lurk3r

Hear me out on this.

The man who went nuts in the bus, his name is Vincent Li.

i have scoured google for the past hour looking at various articles. Media does not give a shit about why these things happen. All they want is the story and the sensationalist headlines that they can sell papers with. One of the more detailed articles I found was this one. http://www.canada.com/Health/story.html?id=1356811

FTA :

In 2004, Li's life began to take a turn for the worse. Li told psychiatrists he began to hear voices. Ana( his wife ) noted that in the summer of 2004, Li would go several days without sleep or food. "He cried a lot and told me he saw God and I thought he was so tired so I bought him sleeping pills from Shoppers Drug Mart but that didn't work too well."

Ana said Li admitted he was hearing voices. Li recalled that in those early days of his illness, the voices provided him with "direction and guidance."

In September 2005, again without warning, Li set off for Toronto. "I thought it would be easy to find a job in Toronto," Li recalled. "I failed to find a job, then God's voice told me to go back to Winnipeg. I'm not sure if God's voice told me to walk back, so I started walking on the highway; I threw out my luggage after God told me to do that."

Ana would receive a call from police in September 2005 indicating that Li had been picked up walking along Highway 427 north of Toronto, completely disoriented and appearing as if he had not eaten or slept in several days. He was taken to a psychiatric facility in Toronto.

Li also revealed his greatest concern is that he disobeyed direct orders from God. It was God who told him to leave Edmonton and stop in Erickson to live "forever." But the same voice also warned him the man in the truck was going to kill him. Against God's advice, he left Erickson.

"It's not my kill," Li recalled. "God kill him. God choose me to kill him. God angry at me because God asked me to stay in Erickson forever. God choose my hand to kill, I truly believe that."

Later, Li claimed there were good gods and evil gods and it was the latter who commanded him to kill McLean, who was also a threat. It was kill or be killed, according to the God talking to Li, although he now acknowledged there were good and evil Gods in his head.

"I don't think about God every day," Li told Rootenberg in one of their final sessions. "But sometimes I ask God why he picked me to do these things.

"I'm an average person. I still trust God. God is 90-99 per cent good."

People are people. I'm not going to defend the guy. I know what he did was WRONG. "The voices provided me with directions and guidance" is what gets to me. He is sick. Im not disputing that. This doesn't make things any less real though. Chalam: Points for you eh? Could you please take a minute out for me, and explain all the "Jesus" whackjobs out there? No disrespect to JC, or you either. I have seen many people, clearly not in a "right state of mind" as big Jesus fans. What happened to them? It's in the name of Jesus, for him, or even thinking THEY ARE him. Why? If this came from Satan, how could he do it with Jesus's name involved? Please engage me. Would the path and direction that Mr. Li took, would he have been better off to "fight" the voices?Did he go along with them? Would he have had these problems if he would " accepted Jesus" somewhere along the way? Did he not understand the "voices" properly, and go with what he thought they would want him to do? Was he "posessed"? If Jesus was here, would he have fixed this man? There are many questions that can be asked...tonnes. sure it's easier for us to see them as most in todays society do,BLACK AND WHITE. Seriously though, who is that helping? It certainly didn't do his victim any good. "God told me to do it." Has anyone here seen this movie? "Frailty" Where did they come up with this storyline? Bill Paxton runs around killing people, claiming that God is telling him to, and that his victims are demons. Its really sad cause he brings his 2 kids into it...I seen it a few years ago, it was kinda scary. REALLY good ending though which made it worthwhile. No I don't have a degree. No I am not "educated" per say. But it is interesting how some things tie in together here. Disclaimer: The poster here, lurk3r, does not want anyone all over his butt for disrespecting the mentally ill. I am familiar with mentaly ill people, being as i am a 3rd gen ex jw. I mean NO disrespect here...if you wish to "unleash" your wrath on me, please do via PM as i really would like to keep the direction of things discussed in this thread. lurk3r