Dear Dakota:
You are a liar. I asked questions. I did not personally attack Mr Bowen. Shame on you, dear.
j.r. brown, a national spokesman for the jehovah's witnesses, confirmed that the four had been called to the hearings, but he said the proceedings may focus on "sins" unrelated to public comments on sexual abuse.
he provide no specifics.. now isn't that a pr move!.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/a3813-2002may10.html
Dear Dakota:
You are a liar. I asked questions. I did not personally attack Mr Bowen. Shame on you, dear.
as ive made it known on this board, my current status with the watchtower bible and tract society is that of inactive.
this is a loophole i have utilized, to keep an open channel of communication with family members in the organization.. i want to clarify with everyone: i do not hold any doctrinal ideas, theology, ideology, opinions expressed in any form by the wtbts.
therefore, to simply put, i do not believe in the wtbts in any way, shape, or form.
Dear Mr Jay:
You are a potty mouth--full of gutter talk. Find Christ and you will put away such filthy speech, dear. Quell that anger.
"Let fornication and uncleanness of every sort or greediness not even be mentioned among you, just as it befits holy people; neither shameful conduct nor foolish talking nor obscene jesting, things which are not becoming, but rather the giving of thanks."
psychdigg: i just got on the board again and saw your post about bill bowen.. in typical jw-style you attack the person rather than the issue of child molestation.
your quote of one of bill's posts in your thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=27390&site=3 is not at all valid evidence of bill being vengeful, or losing perspective - but rather he points out the shear hypocrisy of the watchtower so-called system of justice.
a system that is wholly unchristian and uncivil by any reasonable standard of measurement ... except maybe with radical extremists groups.. against the normally wise comments of kismet regarding ignoring people who jump out with personal attacks as you have done, i have decided on a different course.
Mr larc:
I am concerned when anyone begins to malign any organization like some here have maligned the JW organization. If there are serious cases of pedophilia going on among the Witnesses, these problems need to be addressed ASAP. But floating exaggerated numbers of child abuse or flat out and out lying about some matters is wrong.
The early Christians had their share of problems too. There were sexual sins occurring in Thyatira and the elders there were wrongly permitting these sins to happen. Our resurrected Lord told those elders in no uncertain terms, he did:
"Nevertheless, I do hold this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols."
Revelation 2:20
Our Lord further told those elders who were slacking that he gave that old prophetess time to repent but she was not willing. He then said that he was gonna throw her into a sickbed full of tribulations and horrors. I think Jesus gonna do the same thing today, dear. Leave things to my bridegroom and he will take care of you, hon.
"Rejoice in him,
who the many did not see on earth,
although they ardently cried for.
Rejoice in that which is on top."
it seems that we have many new aliases popping up right now.
all posting attacks against bill bowen personally.. note they cannot argue the facts of abuse occuring but decide to go after one of the faces that represent the whole issue at hand, bill bowen.. it just goes to show how desperate some people become trying to protect their high control religion regardless the cost to children and adult children of past abuse.. i would like to suggest that we adopt the same advice our parent's gave us while growing up as dubs.
just ignore the taunts, the insults.
I have not attacked Mr Bowen. I like the double standard that you dissidents employ in this God-forsaken place.
I just came here asking questions about Mr Bowen's motives. Since when do questions become attacks? Is that not the same thing that you accuse JWs of, dears?
i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.
maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.
however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.
To all those who think waiting on the LORD is wrong. See what God says:
"It is good that one should both wait, and that in silence, for the salvation of Jehovah. It is good for a man that he bear the yoke in his youth: He sitteth solitary and keepeth silence, because he hath laid it upon him; he putteth his mouth in the dust, if so be there may be hope; he giveth his cheek to him that smiteth him; he is filled full with reproach. For the Lord will not cast off for ever; but if he have caused grief, he will have compassion according to the multitude of his loving-kindnesses: for he doth not willingly afflict or grieve the children of men."
(Lamentations 3:26-33)
i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.
maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.
however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.
Dearest funky:
Have you never heard of the fall? God wanted all of his children to enjoy everlasting life in the beginning. However they pulled away from him and rejected the perfect start that he provided them with, dear. See Genesis 2 and 3. It is really quite elementary, sir.
i often hear people here talk about the horrible jw willingness to die for blood transfusions.
maybe jws are mistaken when it comes to the bt issue; maybe not.
however i wonder if there is anything that is really worth dying for in this life.. for me, to live is christ and to die is gain.
Nice way not to answer a question, funky. Biblical Christianity does not devalue this life. Read 1 Timothy 4:8. But Jesus taught his followers that he/she who tries to save his/her life will lose it. The present life is good. But it is not the be-all-and-end-all.
as a mystical christian, i am just as distressed about child molestation as is mr bowen.
however i wonder about this man's motives.
why did he choose to handle his row with the witness organization in this way?
Dear Celia,
By wait on Jehovah--I do not mean that one should wait until death. Notice that I talked about working for positive change within the organization without undermining it. And if one really thinks that she can no longer be a JW and agree with the way things are done, one could also just leave. No one is forced to handle things the way that Mr Bowen has handled matters.
as a mystical christian, i am just as distressed about child molestation as is mr bowen.
however i wonder about this man's motives.
why did he choose to handle his row with the witness organization in this way?
Dearest celia,
I can see that you are not one who prefers to listen to the voice of reason or mysticism--so I will let you have the last word, my dear. Let me just say two things.
I do not approve of child molestation. Got that?
God uses humans to sometimes straighten up human messes. Is he using Bill. Maybe God is, hon. What if he is not?
There is nothing worse than man trying to handle some problem he is not assigned to handle nor capable of handling, dear sis. Look at the mess that men have made of the Middle East.
Jeremiah 10:23
i did a search on bill bowens postings in this forum.
very interesting.
revealing!.
When psych referred to Bill lack of respect for confidentiality, I think he or she was referring to Bill's failure to keep his mouth shut about the young man in his congregation. If you want to approve of such unethical behavior, then go right ahead. What a shame!