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  LA Times Front Page - JWs Treated Without Blood

  by BizzyBee in

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  interesting article on the la times front page this morning about a doctor in fresno, ca who treats jws without blood.

  he only promises to repect their wishes, not that they won't die.

  jw patients flock to him from all over the world.

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  DNCall

  I submitted a letter to the editor of the LA Times in response to this article. I doubt that it will be published, so here it is for you:

  Kudos to Dr. Michael Lill for providing treatment to Jehovah’s Witnesses despite the fact that he is, as described by Ms. Gorman, “a committed atheist who views [their] belief system as wholly irrational.”

  Having been a member of the Witness religion for over 50 years, I do, however, take exception to Ms. Gorman’s use of the terms “biblically centered” and “literal interpretation of the Bible” when referring to the Witnesses’ belief regarding blood.

  The following is a literal interpretation of what the Bible says about blood: When God first allowed Man to kill animals for food, the animal’s blood was to be removed so as not to be eaten. It was to be poured out on the ground. By doing so, Man would be showing proper respect for the sacredness of the animal’s life, in God’s eyes.

  Jehovah’s Witnesses go far beyond a “literal interpretation of the Bible” when they say that this rule covers blood transfusions. Blood transfusions do not involve the taking of a life, as in the case of killing animals for food. Blood transfusions do not violate the sacredness of life. In fact, they are, in countless cases, the only way to preserve life.

  Why do the Witnesses believe this way? It is not because they are “biblically centered.” It is to add to their list of beliefs that make them unique among myriad Bible-based religions, thus bolstering the claim that their organization alone is the true religion. It is a case of being organization-centered not biblically centered.

  Frank Kavelin
  Santa Monica, California
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  LA Times Front Page - JWs Treated Without Blood

  by BizzyBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  interesting article on the la times front page this morning about a doctor in fresno, ca who treats jws without blood.

  he only promises to repect their wishes, not that they won't die.

  jw patients flock to him from all over the world.

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  LA Times Front Page - JWs Treated Without Blood

  by BizzyBee in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  interesting article on the la times front page this morning about a doctor in fresno, ca who treats jws without blood.

  he only promises to repect their wishes, not that they won't die.

  jw patients flock to him from all over the world.

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  Do you recall any disputes during the development of the New Song Book?

  by Quarterback in

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  i seem to recall someone mentioning to me that george benson assisted with some of the work on the new song book.. then he left the assignment after an argument with the team.

  is there any thing that anyone remembers about that one?.

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  Breakfast of Champions: Your speculation about the approach being too contemporary is pretty much on the money. As for Christine, she does have a professional career as a studio singer.
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  Do you recall any disputes during the development of the New Song Book?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
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  i seem to recall someone mentioning to me that george benson assisted with some of the work on the new song book.. then he left the assignment after an argument with the team.

  is there any thing that anyone remembers about that one?.

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  CaptainSchmideo: You don't need the quotes on your second link. That really is George Benson. Same producer/arranger as "We Must Be Holy."
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  Do you recall any disputes during the development of the New Song Book?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i seem to recall someone mentioning to me that george benson assisted with some of the work on the new song book.. then he left the assignment after an argument with the team.

  is there any thing that anyone remembers about that one?.

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  The song in question is 'We Must Be Holy". It was never recorded by George Benson and Celine Dion. It was produced and arranged by the composer of that song (the same individual who did the majority of the work on the new songbook). The singers who have been mistaken for George and Celine Dion were Phil Ingram and Christine LaFond, both of whom are Witnesses. It was one of the tracks for the vocal CD that the Society developed, but never released. Although George Benson contributed to this project, he did not sing on this track. The digital files of many of these tracks were stolen and leaked on the Internet, thus starting the Benson/Dion rumor.
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  Do you recall any disputes during the development of the New Song Book?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i seem to recall someone mentioning to me that george benson assisted with some of the work on the new song book.. then he left the assignment after an argument with the team.

  is there any thing that anyone remembers about that one?.

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  A lot of work fell to one person, who is a professional and very talented. Sometimes when you are under pressure to produce a lot of music in a short time, you rely on craft rather than those moments of inspiration that can either happen or not. Listening to the end result, I'm of the opinion that this is the scenario that accounts for the songbook being what it is.

  On further thought, after I left it is possible that George Benson was asked to help out, but I don't think it is likely. With all of the unfounded rumors that have centered on him throughout the years, I can't help but be skeptical regarding the subject of this thread.
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  Do you recall any disputes during the development of the New Song Book?

  by Quarterback in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i seem to recall someone mentioning to me that george benson assisted with some of the work on the new song book.. then he left the assignment after an argument with the team.

  is there any thing that anyone remembers about that one?.

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  Breakfast of Champions: I am the "Kavelin" of whom you speak. Although George Benson's singing and guitar playing were included in the vocal album of old songs that was recorded by the Society, but never released, he was never involved in the preparation of the new song book. There were no disagreements during the time he worked with us, but only the pleasure of enjoying his great talent. At the time that I withdrew my services, the quality of what was being worked on was an improvement. When the final product was released, I, like so many of you, was dissappointed.

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  What Is the longest Prayer (Meeting, Circuit Assymbly, District, Internation.) You have endured?

  by AvocadoJake in

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  2. beliefs

  place los angeles dodger stadium temperature 97-100 degrees.

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  prayer lenght 25 minutes of pain!.

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  1963, Rose Bowl, Pasdena. Knorr gave a 30-minute prayer following his closing comments that had gone 2 hours overtime.

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  What was your most DISTURBING event as an elder ? (Per T.O.S. no full names please).

  by Balaamsass in

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  i'll start the ball rolling.

  dealing with kids in any type of judicial manner.

  i would do everything i could to get parents to "deal with it-kindly" at home.

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  I will mention two, because they are so different, yet they illustrate corruption on very different levels.

  I sat on a special committee that was adjudicating a business dispute. Without going into the details of the case, I witnessed prejudice, bias, Simony, cronyism and noncomprehension of the facts, all on the part of the Service Department. The committee and I lost a lot of innocence on that one!

  The object of the second case was a gay man whose background included a failed marriage. He had been advised by the elders that marrying a sister would "cure" his homosexuality. He had been disfellowshipped and reinstated several times for acting on his impulses and inclinations. I sat on the committee that reinstated him for the last time. We learned over several hearings that he had not been promiscuous, but was simply aching for intimacy and affection. He pursued them in the only way that his brain could process. We learned that the reason he lived in a predominately gay neighborhood was so that he wouldn't stand out or get beat up. All he was surviving on was ice cream because his feelings of guilt made it impossible for him to eat (or keep down) anything else. Some months after his reinstatement he took his own life.

  All of the judicial situations that I witnessed were disturbing, but these were two of the worst.

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