Posts by Observer17

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Statistical evidence against WTS fulfillment of Mat24:14. Simple argument.

by Awakened at Gilead in

jehovahs witnesses are proud to point out that they are fulfilling the prophecy at matthew 24:14. jws are quick to point out that part of the purpose of the preaching work is so that jehovah can take note of how people respond to the witnessing, and thus can decide if they are worthy of survival or not.

last year, jws spent 1.4 billion hours in their preaching work.

so if we take: 6.6 billion people.

Observer17

Hi all,

I've been following this discussion with great interest, as this is one of my favorite topics (Matt. 24:14 & the preaching work). Thanks "Awakened At Gilead" for starting this timely topic.

Here's my thought. And I believe it is a "simple argument" too, in keeping with the title of this topic.

Doesn't the bible itself show us, God will have a direct hand in heralding the special message about His "Glory," and that this message must go world wide, to all people before the end? Also, doesn't this particular prophecy specifically say God Almighty will put special emphasis on people that have never, ever heard of Him or seen His works before? That way, everyone gets to hear the divine message? Here is the prophecy:

Isaiah 66:18, 19 says:

"...the time is coming to gather ALL NATIONS AND TONGUES. And they shall come and see my glory. And I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Rosh, Tubal, and Javan, to the DISTANT COASTLANDS THAT HAVE NEITHER HEARD MY FAME NOR SEEN MY GLORY. And they will declare my glory among the nations." -- New American Standard

The New World Translation says of this verse, Almighty God is doing this "gathering" work. So, Jehovah is spearheading it or is responsible for it, which means it CANNOT FAIL. Further, this special mesage is supposed to go world wide, covering all languages and peoples.

Now, if you check WTBTS publications on these verses, you will see the Watchtower Society has alluded in print, that this prophecy has been fulfilled in the preaching work done by Jehovah's Witnesses. However, according to the statistics everyone has presented above, this cannot be true.

...any thoughts on this particular prophecy?

Observer

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July 15 Study Edition

by StAnn in

i just read the first article in the july 15 study edition, entitled "the house-to-house ministry--why important now?

" i thought it was insane overall but i noticed that they seem to be reintroducing the "marking work.

" hadn't that belief been eliminated?.

Observer17

Hi Justitia:

A more accurate interpretation would be to apply this marking to a separating work WITHIN the annointed, since, according to JWs, only they are in a covenant relationship with Jehovah.

I wonder if you have any thoughts as to who might be conducting this "marking" work among Jehovah's Witnesses, if any?

Just wondering.

Observer

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Romans 5:13, 14 Promises No Sickness & Death Before 1,000-Year Reign!

by Observer17 in

to get more details on this amazing info, please check out "salome's" thought-provoking posts found at this link:.

romans 5:13, 14 promises no sickness & death before 1,000-year reign!.

observer.

Observer17

Hi Cawshun:

Observer, I read this discussion and it sure is a new way of looking at Paradise Earth, very interesting.

Yes, it is a new way of looking at things, isn't it. I thought the discussion was very illuminating also,with much "food for thought" to be pondered.

Thanks for pointing me in that directon. I would like to hear other's view on that view.

Me too. Glad I could be of service.

Observer

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Romans 5:13, 14 Promises No Sickness & Death Before 1,000-Year Reign!

by Observer17 in

to get more details on this amazing info, please check out "salome's" thought-provoking posts found at this link:.

romans 5:13, 14 promises no sickness & death before 1,000-year reign!.

observer.

Observer17

Hi all,

To get more details on this amazing info, please check out "Salome's" thought-provoking posts found at this link:

Romans 5:13, 14 Promises No Sickness & Death Before 1,000-Year Reign!

Observer

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Examining Ezekiel's Future "Temple"

by Observer17 in

for those of us who enjoy examining bible prophecy and considering new angles and perspectives on prophecy, please see the following article (link below).

i think you may find it quite interesting, with some new angles to consider.

here is the link for the article:.

Observer17

For those of us who enjoy examining bible prophecy and considering new angles and perspectives on prophecy, please see the following article (link below). I think you may find it quite interesting, with some new angles to consider.

Here is the link for the article:

Examining Ezekiel's Future "Temple"

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Mary imperfect, Jesus perfect

by heyfea in

my husband never ceases to amaze me with the things he asks me.

yesterday night he asked me: why was jesus born perfect when mary was not perfect?

i said to him that it should be the same as having a surrogate mother.

Observer17

Hi heyfea,

Your husband raised an excellent question.

So far, has he made any decision on the matter?

For example, which of the three aforementioned (Watchtower) explanations shown above by "Blondie," does your husband prefer? Has he decided yet?

...And how about yourself?

Or do you both prefer another explanation on this matter so far.

...Just curious.

Observer

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Mary imperfect, Jesus perfect

by heyfea in

my husband never ceases to amaze me with the things he asks me.

yesterday night he asked me: why was jesus born perfect when mary was not perfect?

i said to him that it should be the same as having a surrogate mother.

Observer17

You are welcome, heyfea.

Glad you enjoyed the article.

Observer

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Mary imperfect, Jesus perfect

by heyfea in

my husband never ceases to amaze me with the things he asks me.

yesterday night he asked me: why was jesus born perfect when mary was not perfect?

i said to him that it should be the same as having a surrogate mother.

Observer17

Hi Heyfea,

My husband never ceases to amaze me with the things he asks me. Yesterday night he asked me: Why was Jesus born perfect when Mary was not perfect?
I said to him that it should be the same as having a surrogate mother...
Heyfea

I believe this question of why Jesus was born perfect when Mary was not perfect (sinner) and whether Mary was used as a "surrogate" mother is addressed quite nicely in the following article.

ONE BIG MISTAKE MADE BY ALL MANKIND!

...hope this helps.

Observer

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Question: Is Satan The "Ruler Of This World"?

by Observer17 in

in the book of john alone, jesus three (3) times referred to satan as the "ruler of this world.

" -- see john 12:31; john 14:30; john 16:11.. my first question on this topic for this discussion board is: .

(1) do you believe this to be true?

Observer17

Thanks for the participation of everyone so far, on this thread.

I appreciate it.

Now for my next question on this topic:

According to the book of Revelation, Satan is said to be "misleading the entire inhabited earth." -- Revelation 12:9

Or, Satan is said to be "misleading the nations", per Revelation 20:3.

1. If this is so, how do you believe Satan is able to accomplish such a massive feat, on a worldwide scale?

In other words, why do you believe Satan has been so successful is this diabolical endeavor?

Also, an auxiliary question (for those who believe the above) which goes along with this thought would be:

2. What method do you think he is using to accomplish such a great "deception," that works so effectively on a worldwide scale?

Thanks in advance for your response.

Observer17

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Question: Is Satan The "Ruler Of This World"?

by Observer17 in

in the book of john alone, jesus three (3) times referred to satan as the "ruler of this world.

" -- see john 12:31; john 14:30; john 16:11.. my first question on this topic for this discussion board is: .

(1) do you believe this to be true?

Observer17

In the book of John alone, Jesus three (3) times referred to Satan as the "Ruler Of This World." -- See John 12:31; John 14:30; John 16:11.

My first question on this topic for this discussion board is:

(1) Do you believe this to be true? Is Satan really the "Ruler" of our world?

And for those who would answer "yes" to the above question, this additional thought:

(2) If we accept Jesus' testimony to be true in this instance, how do we think we can be rescued from this sobering situation?

Any thoughts...

Observer17