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"Hate - A Feature of True Christians" - New Witchtower article

by processor in

this new article shows how arbitrary the watchtower's explanations are .... .

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/09/hate-a-feature-of-true-christians/.

processor

The article above is completely new; most of the old articles you find here (many of these have not been published on the blog yet):

http://eng.svhelden.info/?page_id=16

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"Hate - A Feature of True Christians" - New Witchtower article

by processor in

this new article shows how arbitrary the watchtower's explanations are .... .

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/09/hate-a-feature-of-true-christians/.

processor

Hate - A Feature of True Christians

“With a complete hatred I do hate them” – Psalm 139:22

The Watchtower leaves no doubt that Christians must hate apostates. “The obligation to hate lawlessness … applies to all activity by apostates. Our attitude toward apostates should be that of David, who declared: … ‘With a complete hatred I do hate them.’” (The Watchtower, July 15, 1992, page 12) But “Jesus obviously did not mean that his followers should literally hate … [apostates], since he commanded people to love even their enemies.” (The Watchtower, October 1, 1995, page 8). “In the Bible, ‘hate’ can refer to loving a person or an object to a lesser degree.” (The Watchtower, March 15, 2008, page 32). “In keeping with that understanding, the Bible says that Jacob ‘hated’ Leah and loved Rachel, which meant that he did not love Leah as much as he loved her sister, Rachel.” – The Watchtower, October 1, 1995, page 8.

So it is obvious that Christians should simply ‘love apostates to a lesser degree.’ Normally, love for others raises in God’s servants “a strong desire to tell them about God’s Kingdom.” (Awake!, August 22, 1985, page 11). By ceasing to ‘tell apostates about God’s Kingdom’, Christians can show that they ‘love them to a lesser degree’.

But apostates are not the only thing that a Christian must hate. Servants of God are obliged “to hate things that God condemns, such as lying, greediness, stealing, homosexuality and fornication.” (Happiness – How to Find It?, page 95) The same principle applies here – we should ‘love the lie to a lesser degree’ than the truth, ‘love homosexuality to a lesser degree’ then heterosexuality and ‘love fornication to a lesser degree’ than conjugal fidelity, just as Jacob ‘hated’ Leah and still fathered seven children with her. (Genesis 29:32-35; 30:16-21) Christians must also be “hating unjust profit,” that is, loving unjust profit to a lesser degree than just profit. – Exodus 18:21.

But Jesus Christ said: “If any man comes to me, he must hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sister. Yes, he must hate himself too.” (Luke 14:26, WE) Did he mean that one should simply ‘love himself and his relatives to a lesser degree’ when he wants to become a Christian? No, because “in the Scriptures, the word ‘hate’ has several shades of meaning. … The word ‘hate’ may also denote intense hostility, sustained ill will often accompanied by malice. It is this sense of the word that is discussed” here. (The Watchtower, August 15, 2004, page 12) “Such hatemay become a consuming emotion seeking to bring harm to its object.” – Insight on the Scriptures, volume I, page 1042.

Accordingly Christians need to develop “intense hostility” towards themselves and their relatives. Like Paul they should consider themselves and their family members ‘miserable men’ and ‘hate [them] in the truest sense, which is to regard with extreme and active aversion, to consider as loathsome, odious, filthy, to detest.” (Romans 7:24; The Watchtower, October 1, 1952, page 599). Godly hate will cause them to keep looking for occasions for ‘bringing harm’ to themselves and their relatives.

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"Hate - A Feature of True Christians" - New Witchtower article

by processor in

this new article shows how arbitrary the watchtower's explanations are .... .

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/09/hate-a-feature-of-true-christians/.

processor

This new article shows how arbitrary the Watchtower's explanations are ...

http://www.svhelden.info/witchtower/2013/09/hate-a-feature-of-true-christians/

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AGM 5 OCTOBER 2013 (UNOFFICIAL RUMORS)

by WatchTower87 in

- 23 day to go .. annual meeting unofficial rumors.

- new bible.

- new nwt (revision).

processor

in the article on babel and the origin of languages, a stone tablet with Babylonian writing was labelled as dating from around year 3,000 BC?

Where is that? The article says "third millennium B.C.E." which can be anything between 3,000 and 2,001.

http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2013646#h=12:326-20:0

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What is the biblical justification for says that a creative days is 7000 years ?

by trackregister99 in

hello, what is the biblical proof of that a creative days is 7000 years.

i read in the photodrama that russell says that a creative days is 7000 years.

and in 1965 edition of "make sure of all things" page 134 that was changed from "7000 years" to "about 7000 years".. the bible not says the duration of a creative day.

processor

Russell thought that Adam was created 4127 BCE, so 7000 years would end in 2874 CE. Since he should rule for 1000 years, this reign must have started in 1874.

Since nothing happened in 1874, he concluded that there would be period of 40 years (like 30 to 70 CE or like the 40 years Moses spent in the wilderness), and Armageddon would come 40 years after 1874 (= 1914).

Since nothing happened in 1914, they eventually "noticed" that Adam was not created in 4127 but in 4026, pointing to 1975 instead of 1914. So they changed 1914 from "beginning of 1000 year reign" to "beginning of invisible rein over his congregation".

SInce nothing happened in 1975, they eventually "noticed" that the 6th day did not end with Adam's creation but with Eve's creation. So they changed it from "1975" to "soon", which is valid until now.

Since there is overwhelming evidence that the earth is more than 49,000 years old, they silently dropped the idea that one creative day would have been 7,000 years.

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Bible teaches other Gods ruling other people? Is there an honest bible translation in book form out there?

by EndofMysteries in

i will give an easy example incase any bible like this exists then somebody can point me in the right way.

in a hebrew interlinear, as found at http://www.scripture4all.org/onlineinterlinear/hebrew_index.htm, .

look up or compare exodus 15:11, ex 18:5. i'll quote from the nwt, but almost all bibles make the same mistake/assumptions i'll show in a second.

processor

I couldn't find an English translation that renders it that way, but the Einheitsübersetzung (the official translation used by the Catholic Church in Germany) renders Deuteronomy 32:8,9 like this:

"Als der Höchste (den Göttern) die Völker übergab, als er die Menschheit aufteilte, legte er die Gebiete der Völker nach der Zahl der Götter fest; der Herr nahm sich sein Volk als Anteil, Jakob wurde sein Erbland."

Which means translated:

"When the Most High passed the peoples (to the Gods), when he divided mankind, he defined the territorries of the peoples according to the number of their Gods; the Lord took his people as his part, Jacob became his hereditery land."

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Syposiums are pagan!

by krejames in

the bbc has been producing some interesting documentaries lately.

one series is about ancient greece and i learned something new (for me) that i thought a few here might like as much as i did.. according to one episode in the series, syposiums originated in ancient greece as events where people would get together, get drunk, make sacrifices to the pagan gods and then finally various people would stand up and talk and talk and talk, no doubt in a drunken ramble, about the deep topics of the day.. for this reason i cannot possibly attend another jw assembly or convention any more.

they always feature syposiums and now i know they are clearly rooted in paganism, well, it goes against my christian trained conscience..... .