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  July 22, 1978

  by brianhenke in

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  were you baptized that day?

  i remember...it was a convention here in cincinnati (no conventions here in the 80s, 90s and 2000s) and i heard there was one in london that same day.

  brian

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  BeelzeDub

  Welcome Brian,

  Same year for me. Different day and city though.
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  Song Numbers needed

  by Lisa Lefteye in

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  does anyone know the first service meeting song numbers for july 14 and 21st respectively?.

  lisa

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  BeelzeDub

  Isn't that illegal in Texas?

  Yes, in Texas you can only get 10 lashes with a wet noodle or the death penalty by eating the noodle until you explode.
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  Woah! Da Watchtowah's been Shizzolated!!

  by logansrun in

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  why should i apologize?

  why yo' ass can trust da bible

  though deaf 'n blind, i found security .

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  BeelzeDub

  You can also Dialectize in 8 different dialects here. Now the WTS can accomodate any culture including red necks.

  http://rinkworks.com/dialect/
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  The roots of Jehovah's Judge

  by BeelzeDub in

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  when j. f. rutherford was president of the wts, he spoke at bible conventions and on recordings with great authority.

  rutherford frequently denounced governments and churches as an abomination of desolation.

  rutherford would have his followers believe that he had a direct link with god and it was he who authorized him to speak with such authority on his behalf.

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  BeelzeDub

  Hello Eupemism,

  My interest in Rutherford's early days was sparked after reading the inset on page 67 titled "J.F. Rutherford's Background" of the Proclaimers of God's Kingdom book published by the WTS.

  I began doing some research and found that little was known about Rutherford's early days. Since I lived very close to where Rutherford was raised, went to school and practiced law before becoming legal counsel for the WTS in 1907, (The first 38 years of his life) I began doing some of my own research.

  Information about his family was obtained through Federal census records, geneology and public marriage records. Some info was found by internet research and then verified through documents and publications from several historical libraries and state archives in my area.

  I am currently researching his education.

  Glad you found the information of interest. I am not writing a book but do it more as a hobby since I am fortunate enough to live close to some excelent libraries and archives in Missouri.

  Regards,

  -BD
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  The roots of Jehovah's Judge

  by BeelzeDub in

  1. social
  2. family

  when j. f. rutherford was president of the wts, he spoke at bible conventions and on recordings with great authority.

  rutherford frequently denounced governments and churches as an abomination of desolation.

  rutherford would have his followers believe that he had a direct link with god and it was he who authorized him to speak with such authority on his behalf.

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  BeelzeDub

  When J. F. Rutherford was President of the WTS, he spoke at Bible Conventions and on recordings with great authority. Rutherford frequently denounced Governments and Churches as an “Abomination of Desolation”.

  J.F. Rutherford would have his followers believe that he had a direct link with God and it was he who authorized him to speak with such authority on his behalf. One might look a little closer to home as to where Joe learned to speak with such a voice of authority.

  Rutherford was raised on a farm in a rural area in Morgan County Missouri, USA.

  Growing up, he attending the Freedom Baptist Church. This Southern Baptist church was located less than one mile from the Rutherford farm. In those days before the invention of automobiles, the church would have been the main center of activities outside the home.

  A review of the church records from 1870 through 1890 show that the Rutherford family were active members of the Church during this time period. 1

  The two male siblings who were active in church, were Joe Rutherford and his older brother whose name was Will. Will was 5 years older than Joe and both boys are listed as “Male Scholars” of the “Freedom Baptist Church Sunday School” dated 1882. 2

  According to Church records, in March, 1883 Will Rutherford was received into the fellowship of the church. He would have been around 18 years of age at this time and Joe would have been around 13 years old.

  On January 1, 1885 Will Rutherford was disfellowshiped (“excluded”) from the Church. His sin?

  The church meeting minutes from this month and year state:

  “ … and that the hand of fellowship be withdrawn of Bro Will Rutherford on the charges of dancing.” 1 (January 1885)

  This poor guy probably went out for a new years eve celebration, danced, then got the hammer the very next day.

  The reverend of the church when Will was “excluded” or disfellowshiped was Jehu Robinson.

  

  A Biography of Rev. Robinson states:

  “He was a Baptist preacher of considerable force and influence. He was perhaps the best known Baptist preacher in the country. He served nearly every Baptist church in Morgan county and did much good in his day that will last till the judgement day. Brother Robinson’s grand old body lies buried in the Freedom cemetery, four miles north of Versailles.” 3 [bold mine]

  Church records show that disfellowshiping offenses included dancing, drinking, and attending churches of another faith. Often three brethren were chosen to investigate when “rules of decorum” were violated. (sound familiar?) In one case a brethren was charged with ”making a purchase under false pretense” (whatever that means), but moved away to Texas shortly after. After two years of not being able to track him down they decided to “exclude” disfellowship him from the church. 1

  There is no doubt that J.F. Rutherford grew up with a first hand view of a heavy-handed authority of the church he attended. At a young impressionable age for Joe, this was likely a learned trait.

  It should be noted that the official policy of disfellowshiping by the WTS did not start until after the judge joined the great prophets of old at that big mansion in the sky. However the groundwork was certainly laid by Rutherford many years earlier by removing any who did not agree with him and denouncing those as “evil slaves” destine for “destruction.” (WT 1930, p. 275-281)

  The question could be asked, was J.F. Rutherford a Baptist Preaching waiting to come out? If you have ever listened to one of Rutherford’s recordings, denouncing with considerable force and influence the Catholic Church and Governments as an “Abomination of Destruction” and "offspring of Satan", the similarities are striking.

  1. R418 Freedom Baptist Church Records, 1844-1962 – Western Historical Manuscript Collection – University of Missouri, Columbia

  2. Some Morgan County, Missouri Cemetery Inscriptions – Office of Secretary of State Missouri State Archives P66-A

  3. Morgan County History – Published by the Morgan County Historical Society, Versailles, Missouri
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  Picture of me when I was Jehovah's Witness.

  by avengers in

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  BeelzeDub

  And I thought the dubs were looking for sheep.

  Speaking of your picture, do you have to get your shirts taylored to deal with that hand growing out of your shoulder?
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  Did anything a householder said ever make an impression on you?

  by Alleymom in

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  coming at this as a householder rather than an ex-jw, i'd love to hear from any of you about comments from householders that made an impression on you, back when you were active in the door-to-door work.

  since the jw's first knocked at my door 13 years ago, i've done my best to give them something to think about every time they knock at my door.

  i always introduce myself by name and try to get their names.

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  BeelzeDub

  Did anything a householder said ever make an impression on you?

  At the age of 13 working house to house with another boy about the same age, an aging WWII veteran came storming out the door... yelling that he was going to put a bayonet up are ass for the WT refusing to take up arms. Left quite an impression.
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  New light question

  by yxl1 in

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  2. bible

  i was discussing with my motherinlaw last weekend the change in the 1995 "generation" doctrine,and got the usual response that it was a new light.

  what started out as a little bit of fun during a long car journey actually turning into something quite sad and disturbing.

  i argued that old light was obviously wrong (by their own definition), and therefore, by her reasoning she has been preaching lies.

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  BeelzeDub

  "But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established." Pr 4:18 nwt

  This is the scripture the WT uses to justify their "New Light" excuse. However it could be applied to any religion who is wrong about anything, and this they never acknowledge.
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  Question for all.....

  by BeelzeDub in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this may seem like strange questions, but is for some research i am doing.

  if you could give a short reply, it would be appreciated.

  i would very much like to hear the views of any who live outside the usa but have heard something about tennessee.

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  BeelzeDub

  Well thank ya miss Prisca. (in my southern tennessee accent)
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  Question for all.....

  by BeelzeDub in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  this may seem like strange questions, but is for some research i am doing.

  if you could give a short reply, it would be appreciated.

  i would very much like to hear the views of any who live outside the usa but have heard something about tennessee.

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  BeelzeDub

  Integ,

  [QUOTE]The witnesses are very "Hard Core" in Tennessee. I met one who yelled at me for hanging around a worldly person once.[/QUOTE]

  I have only visited this great state but have had the impression that from a religeous perspective people here are knows as hard core bible thumping fundis.

  I have been in some "Hard Core" congregations so I know what you mean.

  Thanks to all for your comments.