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  Roll call - How many here fake being a "good Jehovah's Witness"....like me!

  by Witness 007 in

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  there is no truth...i know that.

  to please my mum while she's alive and wife i go to meetings and the 3 day convention coming up.

  i would rather go to the dentist.

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  Just wondering how many here fake it to please loved ones.

  Oh wait, you mean... nevermind
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  DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have just started working my way through the new publication the origin of life 5 questions worth asking.

  it is completely appalling.

  it is at the very most six grade level and just the first references i verified (which most dubs dont do) have been taken out of context, are completely misquoted or in the example of using the encyclopedia britannica a dated version is used rather than the most recent one, to align with what they want to write, rather than aligned with the newest research.. .

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  But why bother printing a brochure and then rendering it impotent with so many disclaimers?

  They have also included a complete bibliography to make it even easier to track the misquotes.

  Why? I'll tell you why... becuase they know that no one will bother!

  That's the saddest and most frustrating thing here... they can brazenly TELL their readers that they are quote mining, and it remains just as effective! The reader will simply feel pity for the poor silly misguided scientists who are smart enough to say the stuff they just had quoted but not "connect the dots" to god. It not only appears to weaken the case for evolution, but also makes the scientists appear to have "minds blinded by Satan"

  And who is going to actually look up the references? Or understand them? Can you imagine a JW browsing the biology section of thier local library? And if you ARE, or are looking up this stuff on the internet, you are no longer the kind of person who they want as a JW anyway.

  It's strategic GENIUS. It seriously amps up the appearance of credibility, while barely watering down the propaganda at all.

  This is very nearly a "those magnificent bastards" moment...

  -inkling
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  DC 2010 Release - The Origin of Life and its many misquotes

  by Designer Stubble in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i have just started working my way through the new publication the origin of life 5 questions worth asking.

  it is completely appalling.

  it is at the very most six grade level and just the first references i verified (which most dubs dont do) have been taken out of context, are completely misquoted or in the example of using the encyclopedia britannica a dated version is used rather than the most recent one, to align with what they want to write, rather than aligned with the newest research.. .

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  In case anyone interested missed it on a previous thread, a PDF of this brochure is floating around, and can be downloaded (for a limited time at least) here:

  http://www.filedropper.com/theoriginoflifefivequestionsworthasking

  The other creationist-themed brochure released is here:

  http://www.filedropper.com/waslifecreated

  Enjoy! (or whatever the twisted evil twin sibling of "enjoy" is...)

  -inkling
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  "Conformity"

  by inkling in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not presenting this as directly relevant, or with an specific angle on the jw issue, so much as just on it's own merits as a really great take on phenomenon of social conformity:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trniufrso8i&feature=player_embedded.

  "we can be self defeating in our conformity: say we have a group of people holding opinion x. unbeknownst to the group, half of them secretly disagree.

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  Here's the actual Asch Conformity Experiment

  Notice that having just ONE other person in the room also stand up for the right answer lowered the subject's misguided conformity from 37% down to 5%! (the "solo" error rate was 1%)

  You never know when you are that "one other" voice of reason in the room!

  -inkling
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  "Conformity"

  by inkling in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not presenting this as directly relevant, or with an specific angle on the jw issue, so much as just on it's own merits as a really great take on phenomenon of social conformity:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trniufrso8i&feature=player_embedded.

  "we can be self defeating in our conformity: say we have a group of people holding opinion x. unbeknownst to the group, half of them secretly disagree.

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  Here's the actual Asch Conformity Experiment

  Nice, thanks!
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  Is arguing against religion and irrationality just "Preaching to the Choir"?

  by inkling in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i hear this criticism from time to time, leveled at a range of targets, from the recent "new" atheists, to people arguing for the validity of evolution in the face of creationist claims, to right here at jwd and criticism of jehovah's witnesses and other forms of fundamentalism.. .

  "you are just wasting your time, preaching to the converted", and "believers are not going to be swayed by such criticism of their faith, so why bother?".

  i'm not sure i had a coherent response to this before, but i do now in the form of this concise and insightful video from a youtube favorite of mine:.

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  inkling

  I hear this criticism from time to time, leveled at a range of targets, from the recent "new" atheists, to people arguing for the validity of evolution in the face of creationist claims, to right here at JWD and criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses and other forms of fundamentalism.
  
  "You are just wasting your time, preaching to the converted", and "Believers are not going to be swayed by such criticism of their faith, so why bother?"

  I'm not sure I had a coherent response to this before, but I do now in the form of this concise and insightful video from a youtube favorite of mine:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H57Z0yE3Qgw

  -inkling
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  "Conformity"

  by inkling in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am not presenting this as directly relevant, or with an specific angle on the jw issue, so much as just on it's own merits as a really great take on phenomenon of social conformity:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trniufrso8i&feature=player_embedded.

  "we can be self defeating in our conformity: say we have a group of people holding opinion x. unbeknownst to the group, half of them secretly disagree.

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  I am not presenting this as directly relevant, or with an specific angle on the JW issue, so much as just on it's own merits as a really great take on phenomenon of social conformity:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrNIuFrso8I&feature=player_embedded

  "We can be self defeating in our conformity: Say we have a group of people holding opinion X. Unbeknownst to the group, half of them secretly disagree. But, due to the social penalties dished out to a few individuals who have disagreed, they keep quiet. By conforming, we add to the statistics of groups we don't actually belong to, and perpetuate the idea of majorities who may not actually exist."

  -inkling
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  Do You Think Prostitution Should Be Illegal?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently, in my area, a number of people have gotten caught looking to pay for sex from a call girl.

  a catholic priest was one of the "johns" that got arrested.. i know there are some that argue that it is debasing.

  still, for a million years, it's been going on and there are willing parties who want to engage in this activity.. if two consenting adults want to have sex with one another and are willing to pay and accept the services, is it a horrible thing, in your opinion?.

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  A slave of Christ,

  Sounds kinky, but as long as you both are consenting adults...
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  Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Atheist

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  please note that this list is intended to apply to the fundies alone.

  not to all nonbelievers.

  so let's turn the mirror and grab some popcorn:.

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  11. You declare on a public forum that you are "furious at God for not existing."........!!!!

  So I take it you feel CS Lewis was a fundamentalist atheist?

  Lewis: I was at that time living like many atheists; in a whirl of contradictions. I maintained that God did not exist. I was also very angry with God for not existing. I was equally angry with him for creating a world. Why should creatures have the burden of existence forced on them without their consent?

  Once again, I think the character in this list of yours in sometimes not, by definition, an atheist.

  A conflicted theist perhaps...

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  Top Ten Signs You're a Fundamentalist Atheist

  by BurnTheShips in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  please note that this list is intended to apply to the fundies alone.

  not to all nonbelievers.

  so let's turn the mirror and grab some popcorn:.

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  1. You vigorously deny the existence of God, yet you frequently blame him for all the "evils" in the world, all the natural disasters, and everything else under the sun that is wrong in modern society.

  Could you perhaps offer an example of an atheist who "blames god" for natural disasters or the evil the the world?
  This statement seems rather incoherent to me...

  If an "atheist" is blaming god for anything, he's not much of an atheist now is he?

  [inkling]