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by wednesday in

just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.

due to too much ngeative talk.

possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.

Focus

Trauma_Hound:

Thanks for responding! I understand; I sympathize. A fully signed-up member of the Hacker Club here. Der Rick isn't wrong about everything.

1. From what I understand, Bill is not that computer-technical. Cybernetically, he's a tool-user, not a tool-crafter. Bridging the interpersonal understanding gap can be problematic. The amount of work required to make sites, set up DBs etc. AND THEN KEEPING THEM RUNNING SMOOTHLY is something most underestimate, till it bites them right in the a$$. Which is exactly why one can't leave it right till then.

2. My sincere suggestion is, as I doubt any contracts have been signed by him as yet with A.N.Other Inc., you contact Bill offline as soon as possible with further samples of your work, so he has no reservations as to your competence or ability. Sell yourself.

3. I suggest (reading between the lines) that Bill may be concerned that the SL cause may be let down by those he works with, because of interpersonal issues with him developing over time. Bad comms. Abrasive comms. Misunderstood comms. Escalation. All easy given the instant but permanent medium we use. He has been on one side of a few, shall we say, contretemps involving ex/anti JWs since his brave coming forth. The ex/anti's have hit him as hard as has the WTS, he may feel. He may believe relying on an "outsider" with whom the relationship would be strictly professional and impersonal may be "safer" (as in more reliable, to ensure SL on the web continues smoothly). Now, these may be perceptions. Work around (don't ask me how... I am trying to be constructive here, but I do not have the answers) the reservations, born of experience (and where he is probably at least partly at fault), that he may have on this issue. This is all easier with voice contact. If this done, there is still no movement, ask him "Why not, Bill?"

3. Bill may well have issues with delegation matters, and with sharing/dividing responsibilities. As a wise poster noted above, the City of Seven Hills was not constructed in half a fortnight... attitudes change.

GOOD LUCK, T_H!

I did a little bit of searching on JWD. Some trolls aside, I find I have directly criticized Bill more than virtually any other poster (I listed things I did not like in one of the RF-related threads I started), and have done so more explicitly than anyone in this thread. But I feel my relationship with him is fine. That, to me, indicates that Bill is NO dictator and NO demagogue, as neither of these types can tolerate criticism. Bill DOES accept criticism, but sniping, nitpicking and back-stabbing turn him off. . Bill, I counsel you to - at times - sit on your hands before reacting.

I think Bill is a big guy, and has had to deal with things most of us prefer not to have to think too clearly about because they are SO distasteful. OK, now shoot me down, folks.

--
Focus
(Forgive readily Class)

Edited by - Focus on 17 December 2002 3:21:15

76

silentlambs board gets name change & new ...

by wednesday in

just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.

due to too much ngeative talk.

possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.

Focus

All the best, RevMalk. You are a good guy - as is Bill. The following is no attack on anyone, but may enable readers to see things from Bill's point of view (as I guess it to be: I have not communicated with Bill in any way since the day after I signed up on his forum, which I remember being just a few hours after Simon did).

Let me try to summarize (yes, I have to leave out loads, else it is a rehash). Events are placed in the sequence they happened, rather than the order in which you posted about them here. My comments in red follow the quote, and asides in black.

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From RevMalk's post of Dec 16, 2002 15:43, one sees that after really demanding duties

with my stress level gaining and my mind becoming jumbled, and my family relations becoming threatened, I resigned, in public. At that pint Bill emailed me and said that wasn't fair without notice, and was I sure working on SL.org would continue to effect my family relationship, and so on. I replied and said I'd stick around for at least a while

So, RevMalk resigned without notice, and Bill felt this was unfair.

Continuing, you retracted your resignation to work on:

He is my retraction to my resignation:
Quote: [..] I spend way too much time on this. I would LOVE to be able to work full time with silentlambs and not have to worry about time and lack of time to spend with my family/business/etc. I would love to wake up in the morning and have no other responsibilities other than helping the abuse survivors. But that simply isn't the case.

And there RevMalk, posting at the time in public, explained some of the pressures on him.

From the same post:

we MUST get to the point where we can compensate at least some positions within the organization. That's all there is to it. There's not a well known non-profit organization on this planet that hasn't had to do that. It's a fact of life.

And there RevMalk correctly points out that one or more paid positions must eventually arise. This means (eventually) using sl's $$. But note, by contracting outside, for which Bill is being criticized here, he is doing something not that different from what RevMalk says must be aimed for any way. This "outside" and "inside" differentiation is not the most important one. Stability and dependability is what is the key, I would have thought (together with $$).

On Dec 15, 2002 10:39 you wrote:

I know for a fact he's instructed his followers to stay away from here, so I imagine it's the same over there

The use of "followers" is a little inflammatory, RevMalk, isn't it? As this is pretty close to a free speech forum, Bill is warning them that problems may quickly arise (as Bill found to his own cost) and if one is unprepared for them... hmmm... An example: the DB-naive sl volunteer who comes here, and out of the blue gets verbally assaulted and abused by a pack of rabid extremists, say, just for repeating what every historian agrees upon happened in the mid-20th century, might "up sticks and leave" the whole ex/anti-WTS community for good.
This said, I certainly hope Bill has NOT done anything like "instruct" people to stay away from here, for I would have an issue with that. Bill certainly did not do that or anything like that with me. Perhaps "suggest some of the drawbacks about posting here" would have been more accurate, RevMalk?

On Dec 15, 2002 10:39 you wrote:

Bill has made two major mistakes here: [..]
2. Firing me - I could have brought him to the top, just like I will LambsRoar.com

I appreciate that this is your perspective. Looking at it from outside, it seems to me that Bill, remembering your earlier resignation handed in without any notice, may have felt pressures on you might build up again and cause a reoccurrence. He wanted unemotional/detached reliability/accountability more than love, drive and enthusiasm, maybe? No suggestion that you are not reliable. But having an outsider might make it easier, for example, to take steps to remedy problems. Say something went wrong which put the site out of commission for a long time. Bill probably views you as a friend, and would not feel able to litigate against you, while there would not be this issue were it an outside contractor. I am guessing here. Bill's words you quoted also suggest he does not want you to sacrifice your family life because of the cause. Am I missing something?

On Dec 16, 2002 16:30 you added

I am saddened by all this, and I do wish Bill would reconsider, but that's not going to happen.

I understand. Keeping up the dialog with Bill would be what I suggest. I concede, as before, that Bill is no diplomat at all, and is at times pig-headed too (Simon's patience, and that of others, has been sorely tried, I know) and a bit of a showman. But, would a diplomat have done what Bill has managed to do, and had the Watchtower's dirty laundry given such a public airing? Yes, he had help for sure; but that does not alter the fact.

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Conclusion

Try and see how Bill may have seen things. The above commentary from me may help.

PLEASE: Egos and personalities to one side, extremely hard as it is (and harder when the stirrers are there, doing what stirrers do). Instead: ISSUES.

Again, RevMalk, you are a good guy - as is Bill. I am sorry your feelings are badly hurt. It is very hard to see things in perspective while that remains the case. Bill has probably had the same problem too a few times in the past. I am not saying whom I think is right.

Simon, please reconsider placing the link back in due course. Hard as it may be given the provocation.

Let us have a poor analogy. This has nothing to do with silentlambs or RevMalk, but everything to do with restraint and provocation. Recall how I responded to your subtly-expressed public hint, Simon, (well, OK, I could see where it would end anyway, and I was going to do what I did even had there been no hint) when this DB was under multi-thread assault last month, and withdrew entirely from the fray? This despite being the named target of several threats and threads, and me being called a liar, cheat, manipulator, cult-leader, twister of words, coward, person incapable of thinking in an unjewish/one-way-only way, smearer, terrorist-supporter, JW Jew, asshole (well, they got one right, but they underestimated how right) and a lot more? Would have been trivial for me to blow such a sorry, uneducated, clueless and bigoted bunch of buffoons out of the water, but I respected the DB and the MAIN ISSUE (fighting the Watchtower's Wickedness) and stayed out till the outcome I predicted took place, merely helping prepare a warm welcome for the perps in their obvious next venue of choice. Cost to me? Zip. But some may have felt I let down those here brave enough to stand up to the onslaught, by not coming up with masses of data I have to refute the lies and distortions. And I ignored the stirrers who egged on the attacker, and portrayed me to casual readers as being the provocator, the one who had been "condescending" to our poor little misunderstood "love-mongerers", who had hurt their feelings (all this AFTER all the above insults and threats had been given) etc, in even daring to refute their truly shameful, hurtful nonsense.. Same pair of stirrers to be found in this thread. Think we did not notice?

So, Simon, take my suggestion, please... However personally offended you are, and however justified you are, focus on the ISSUES. As I did. Not individuals. However inextricably they are linked. It is truly difficult, but it is possible.

Were I manipulative, I'd say "I know what decision The Watchtower would like you to make." But I will not.

Your call, mate. You are exactly as much my hero as is Bill, You Know. Heroes are for kids.

ISSUES.

--
Focus
(And that is why I'm called Focus (and Asshole) Class)

Edited by - Focus on 16 December 2002 18:46:52

76

silentlambs board gets name change & new ...

by wednesday in

just got an info e-mail from bill, board is going down dunday mn.

due to too much ngeative talk.

possible he says the rev may open another formum not associated with sl.bill says the effort needs to be concentrated on the coming court cases.

Focus

I agree with hawkaw.

Please - and this applies to many others - try to see the bigger picture more of the time. Forget the personalities as far as possible, and the egos and hurt feelings.

A few phone calls may well sort this out. Lengthening this thread will not.

Trauma Hound, I've watched you for a while. You often speak to the issue, no matter who the personalities may be, and I think that is very often the way to go. Your emailing Bill is a good idea, if phoning is expensive.

The very medium we dwell in (web, net, email) is naturally conducive to fighting. Humans are still very tribal. If you're so far away we can't hear your voice or see your face, we react to you as our ancestors would to someone of a neighboring tribe.

Keep your eyes on the prize. Please. You can do it if you try..

--
Focus
(Links! Class)

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Teaching a pig to sing?

by Focus in

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this is not a parable.

nor is this for most.. verily, verily, i say unto thee: "never try to teach a pig to sing.

it wastes your time and annoys the pig.".

Focus

This is not a parable. Nor is this for most.

Verily, verily, I say unto thee: "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

The wisdom is often attributed to the great H.L.Mencken (my second favorite author of one- and two-liners). However, it actually penned by Mark Twain (who ranks highly among my 'bestest' authors).

Now, one perfectly understands that the temptation to continue to try to teach pigs to sing may be enormous. For they do squeal so when chastised, and thrash about, and twist and turn, and oink so prettily to the taste of the stick... Right?

But the task simply can't be done, and the end of it - as the Prominent Bard said (but where? I riddle you that).

The Swine Class (defined imprecisely in The Finished Mystery, 1917) just can't sing. It is not just that they won't sing. It is not that they are not trying to sing. They can't sing. This is in the very nature of pigs.

So singing at the pig, however beautiful the voice of the singer, however polished his diction and however a-quivering his tremolo, will not change the pig one jot, and not make it one iota more likely that the pig will break into tuneful oratorio.

Of course, if the aim is simply annoying the pig, then it is another matter altogether... There is wisdom within this, visible only to the wise:

".. a pestilence
That does infect the land; with which they moved
Have broken with the King, who hath so far
Given sow's ear to our complaint - of his great grace
And princely care, foreseeing those fell mischiefs
whilst what noble cow can't grasp is swift forgot
What the sow cannot understand causeth it to founder
in grave confusion - Our reasons laid before him
hath commanded To-morrow morning to the Council board
He be convented."

In the company of pigs, alas, one can expect to become really muddy in the pen, irrespective of intentions. It too is in the nature of pigs to ensure this quite foreseeable misfortune. In the confusion, with the singing on the one side, and the oinking on the other, the risk is that the casual idiot strolling by - and there is always a casual idiot strolling by - will misunderstand everything, and believe that some dialog is occurring. But no dialog is occurring. There is a teacher on the one hand, singing melodiously, but at the same time and in the same venue are a cacophony of pig-squealings and oinkings. The idiot, being an idiot, is of course unable to distinguish these, and becomes even more confused than before he approached the pen. To add to the confusion of idiots is sinful to some, but a duty to others. Which type are you? Remember that idiots find it in their nature to ally themselves with pigs rather than with singers. "The Confederation of Dunces"...

And if the unmelodious anti-symphony is all for the benefit of posterity and the Lurking Class, bear in mind that while most of them will not be idiots, they will lack the benefit of oversight and perspective available from being in situ - there at the time. It is harder for them to unravel who did or said or sang what first, and to whom, and in reply to what. You might end up with some believing that the pigs' oinking won - and that would not do, else you would not be trying to teach pigs to sing. Correct?

Well, this humble scribe can only speak for his or her self, but the outcome was perfectly apparent as soon as the first hoof was tentatively shown. What was to follow, and what was to follow that, and where it would then go. The end was far from unknown to the beginning. The location of the pen and - yes - even the pitch of the oinking lay within the remit of that which could be foretold. 'Whither next' is the wise question for those committed to pig-slingery. Pigs have an awful lot of stamina, right up to the sporgery or the spit. To answer this correctly one must but understand porcine psychology, no mean feat that, and know which Class of Pig it is that one is transacting with. We all know Animal Farm on the subject of the equality of pigs: they ain't. I put it to you that this Class of Pig is of the crasser breed, revelling in mud. And while such pigs of a feather may wallow together, they'll never, never get off the ground - let alone be effective in doing the unpleasant things some pigs feel they must do. So why bother casting pearls that hard? Sadism? Surely not. It can't be a desire to make them sing.

I sympathize with the dilemma. Many, many years ago, I developed a technique guaranteed to annoy pigs far more amusingly than attempts to teach them to sing ever will, which takes up less time, and which gives a better witness to the future and a better warning to the passing fool. I ask you to consider emulating it. It first involves putting yourself in the head of the pig, so to speak, thereby ensuring that the effort is better directed. Within the piggery, identify who is Top Pig. Often, it is not the first pig to poke its head from the poke. Easy to see given:
"FIRST WITCH. Thrice the brinded cat hath mew'd.
SECOND WITCH. Thrice and once the hedge-pig whined.
THIRD WITCH. Harpier cries, "'Tis time, 'tis time."
FIRST WITCH. Round about the cauldron go;
In the poison'd entrails throw.
Toad, that under cold stone
Days and nights has thirty-one
Swelter'd venom sleeping got,
Boil thou first i' the charmed pot.
ALL. Double, double, toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
SECOND WITCH. Fillet of a fenny snake,
In the cauldron boil and bake;
Eye of newt and toe of frog,
Wool of bat and tongue of dog,
Adder's fork and blind-worm's sting,
Lizard's leg and howlet's wing,
For a charm of powerful trouble,
Like a hell-broth boil and bubble.
ALL. Double, double, toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
THIRD WITCH. Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf,
Witch's mummy, maw and gulf
Of the ravin'd salt-sea shark,
Root of hemlock digg'd i' the dark,
Liver of blaspheming Jew,
Gall of goat and slips of yew
Sliver'd in the moon's eclipse,
Nose of Turk and Tartar's lips,
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-deliver'd by a drab,
Make the gruel thick and slab.
Add thereto a tiger's chawdron,
For the ingredients of our cawdron.
ALL. Double, double, toil and trouble;
Fire burn and cauldron bubble.
SECOND WITCH. Cool it with a baboon's blood,
Then the charm is firm and good.
HECATE. O, well done! I commend your pains,
And everyone shall share i' the gains.
And now about the cauldron sing,
Like elves and fairies in a ring,
Enchanting all that you put in.
SECOND WITCH. By the pricking of my thumbs,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks!"

Should have locked it better, then, thinks Focus.

Of course, I write all this because I am thinking of becoming a farmer, and undeforeskinned bullocks are too dull for bitter and for verse.

Pardon my insertion; you may return to your diversions. Pig-sticking is not for me, and to say whether or not I feast on pork would be a breach. But, there is a hateful smell from somewhere.

I'd like to teach the world to sing, but "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig."

--
Focus
('Ask yourself what it is that makes the man who has read but one book so hard to ignore' Class)

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Would GETTING LAID MORE OFTEN help NUTTERS ?

by Focus in

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question.

would getting laid* more often help nutters/fanatics/extremists get over their problems?.

answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-jw" discussion boards.. this is a most serious question given a certain heart attitude, and point-of-view, that has been brought to my recent attention through my extensive spy monitering nutworks.. the objective is, naturally enough, to ably assist any allegedly afflicted ones, by providing them with hints as to how to attain what may be wanting in their lives.. please be constructive and upbuilding.

Focus

Hail, Mary! And forgive me in advance for what I am about to do:

Seeing as Saddam Hussein

1. But the said Mr Hussein was not posting on one or more "ex/anti-JW" discussion boards, right? Hence he is excluded by definition unless you have evidence that he was doing this posting. Explicitly: I am not seeking to help him. I cannot help him. A long while ago, some 'friends' of mine tried to help him, but they were unsuccessful.

probably has as many wives as King Solomon, and 56 children,

2. I would think that these qualities you mention makes him quite different from most people, and hence most unsuitable to be used as a sample of one from which propositions may be advanced to the whole relevant population. See 4.

and he's the biggest nut-bar in the world,

3. Respectfully, I disagree that he is a nut-bar. That is minimizing his crimes. Saddam is an evil, cruel, malevolent, despicable and calculating monster (there is a tiny sliver of mitigation in his childhood; but so was there for Master Schicklegruber), and the West was nuts not to put him out of action when they had just cause a decade ago when his misjudgement gave them the legal opportunity so to do - but he is far less of a nutter than was the Maniacal, Jew-Hating Nazi Monkey called Adolf Hitler. And Hitler was certainly somewhat sexually screwed up (among other things, resorting to a vey young niece), while it would appear that Saddam is not. In contrast to his ideological ancestor, Saddam is much more cynical, and does not risk everything for some insane, illogical ideological "cause". Saddam's only cause is Saddam. Also Saddam has held power for much longer than did the God of the neo-Nazis, and made fools of far more people (U.S. Presidents included). And he is still there, worse luck for all (especially the Iraqis).
5. Did you miss any really fruity nut-bars far closer to home? Are you looking in the right places, Mary? Never look unless you are prepared to find, though. I say:
FOLLOW THE HONEY!

I wouldn't say

4. This employs a common fallacy, often termed "Argument By Generalization". I am away from my reference material containing standardized definitions of these creatures, but take it from me, that means using the quality of an unrepresentative and/or overly small sample to draw a wide-ranging conclusion. As an example of the fallacy: "teejay is hilariously inconsistent, illogical and ignorant. Therefore I would say that most posters in JWD are hilariously inconsistent, illogical and ignorant". Given such truth of the first part as may or may not be evident, the second does not follow - which does not mean that it is necessarily not true; it just means that is not proven in the assertion. A wider sample is needed. Not two. NOT EVEN THREE! More! Many more!!!

that getting laid helps fanatics no matter what religion they're in!!!

5. Pray, Mary, where did I mention "religion"? Is only (or even mainly) religious nuttery that is observed on "ex/anti-JW" discussion boards? Nuttery, Fanaticism and Extremism are also commonly found in things other than what is termed "religion" in the primary lexicographic definition thereof. Of course, with fanatics that other thing may well become in essence a cult/religion, I concede readily.

Thanks for joining in, Mary!

Now, I see some other enterprising flies have been drawn into the honey... seeing something, maybe missing much. I will deal with all of them at length, but not at this minute. Please bear with me and follow this thread. wasa, you may create a throwaway email address and then mail it to: [email protected] with a polite request to relay such address on to me. Watch your mailbox a few days thereafter.

I will soon place a relevant Parable in this thread, which speaks to the matter of knowing whether or not individuals need help, and what help that might be. Of course, it is all to do with: Information. I could not mention this till now, possibly because I did not know about it... those involved in the harvest work are of another Class, and have now ascended back to heaven as the saints they are.

I now have some Moose and Squirrel to attend to, and a 'gator to wrassle. Keep this place bookmarked, please!

--
Focus
(Who Writes For Those Possessing Discernment; others, kindly excuse. Class)

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Would GETTING LAID MORE OFTEN help NUTTERS ?

by Focus in

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friends

question.

would getting laid* more often help nutters/fanatics/extremists get over their problems?.

answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-jw" discussion boards.. this is a most serious question given a certain heart attitude, and point-of-view, that has been brought to my recent attention through my extensive spy monitering nutworks.. the objective is, naturally enough, to ably assist any allegedly afflicted ones, by providing them with hints as to how to attain what may be wanting in their lives.. please be constructive and upbuilding.

Focus

Would GETTING LAID more often help Nutters/Fanatics/Extremists get over their problems?

avishai wrote:

Anyone else in a cult that i can help in this manner, I am more than happy too.

"Anyone"? "Anyone"????

Somehow, I am not sure you have thought this one through properly, avishai.... you are not displaying enough of an "open mind" to the possibilities!

For example, a notoriously verperted one (who has strayed far from God's Whoreganization) such as Vadis (with whom I deal with below) might suggest you could be called on to help some pretty interesting person(s) in this way...

So, is it still "Anyone"?

Who/what you have in mind, and the folk whom Vadis may well have in mind for you, might make for... ummm.... I'd love to say that I am at a loss for words, but I do not lie. I'll just say nothing and move on (no offense meant, M.S. avishai) to:

Dear District Overbeer Valis,

You know as well as I do that people that people could deleted until they were blue in the face and it still wouldn't change their attitudes, but if only for a few minutes or days.

Generally so, and I defer to your experience in such things. I am but an innocent.

BUT what if 'people' were still VIRGINS at the present time? Would then the likelihood of improvement, post causa, not then be higher? Have you truly explored all the issues?

I also know the /answer to the/ specific question you asked

So, what is the answer? How do you know you know it?

and I can only say that if the people I consider nutcases

Who? Which people???

that post here ever did get laid, I'm not sure I would even care to know. *LOL*...

While my feelings may well be much the same, I was talking about the possibilities for remote facilitation, if you get my low speed drift, rather than anything remotely voyeuristic (especially in the present confused state).

I am instructed by a source physically not too far from Santa Claws herself (who lives in Lapland, and brings good things even to the undeserving or idiotic), that all is now possible in this new-fangled age, what with the IRS running dual-sex brothels (in Nevada, at least) and all that, and online creditcard-paid almost-instant delivery possible, right to "your" door (I am keeping well away from references to chimneys).

Nothing too fancy would be needed in some cases, I imagine. Inexperience and froth makes even the Really, Really, Older Sister Class seem desirable.

So, what would the specifications be, for whoever you may have in mind, Vadis? In terms of, say, gender, age, race?

(Please omit Ministerial Servant avishai here, as I think he needs some R&R first, and having given the matter prayerful contemplation will, I am confident, withdraw his offer or .. whatever).

Or, is there in some cases no call for this sort of assistance at all, as there may be possibilities for in-house fulfilment (spiritual, and otherwise) with a bit of encouragement and guidance?

Over to you:

Sincerely,
District Overbeer

Irreverently,

--
Focus
(Speaking in general, and Anti-SPIRITUAL Pornography Class)

Edited by - Focus on 15 December 2002 0:22:2

Edited by - Englishman on 15 December 2002 6:37:52

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Would GETTING LAID MORE OFTEN help NUTTERS ?

by Focus in

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friends

question.

would getting laid* more often help nutters/fanatics/extremists get over their problems?.

answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-jw" discussion boards.. this is a most serious question given a certain heart attitude, and point-of-view, that has been brought to my recent attention through my extensive spy monitering nutworks.. the objective is, naturally enough, to ably assist any allegedly afflicted ones, by providing them with hints as to how to attain what may be wanting in their lives.. please be constructive and upbuilding.

Focus

But Scully, you were never a Nutter/Fanatic/Extremist in the first place, right?

Prisca - hi! Super to see you again, and have a merry Christmas! Of course you have totally missed the plot, but then, does it matter? Of course not: Dots on a board. Pixels on a screen. What divides us is much less than what unites us.

But if your implied hypothesis was right, was that an offer to remedy the problem? A bit, errrr, rash, then, as gender/age/inclination/beastly-nature are all imponderables.

Back to the issue:

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Question
Would GETTING LAID* more often help the Nutters/Fanatics/Extremists get over their problems?

Answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-JW" discussion boards.

.

Folks, you just aren't looking in the right places, there is a big conspiracy and it is much bigger than any of you can imagine. My eyes were really opened when I looked into it!

As all people who need to get *aid should, FOLLOW THE MONEY! I can't imagine how you can't see what I am on about! You have to PROBE DEEPER to find the answers THEY don't want you to see. Go on asking till you get the RIGHT answers!

And answer my question.

--
Focus
(Who has NOT found the magic posting URL to give unlimited posts - but won't abuse it! Class)

For Prisca: Added a posteriori (no, that has nothing rude to do with it, ma'am), please, I am guilty of much, but not of missing things. Your fine insult (not implied, but directly following the transitive nature of the relationships set forth) was duly nutted the first time around, and filed in the appropriate place.

For Valis: You may well be on the right track, Bro' Overbeer. But, you may have overlooked a couple of factors which make the likelihood of improvement rather greater than you surmise. btw WHO are you talking about; you seem to have some specific people in mind. I have much more fascinating material for this upbuilding thread, to come out in due course as and when appropriate inputs are received.

Edited by - Focus on 14 December 2002 23:59:36

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Would GETTING LAID MORE OFTEN help NUTTERS ?

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question.

would getting laid* more often help nutters/fanatics/extremists get over their problems?.

answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-jw" discussion boards.. this is a most serious question given a certain heart attitude, and point-of-view, that has been brought to my recent attention through my extensive spy monitering nutworks.. the objective is, naturally enough, to ably assist any allegedly afflicted ones, by providing them with hints as to how to attain what may be wanting in their lives.. please be constructive and upbuilding.

Focus

avishai wrote:

Re: Would GETTING LAID more often help the Nutters/Fanatics/Extremists get over their problems?
Nah. Getting laid was what got me to leave!

"Nah" as in "Yeah", correct? Getting laid got you to leave, you said, and we know leaving a cult makes one less nutty. Right? So "Yes, Getting Laid More Often helped a Nutter" follows. Methinks you were a bit hasty there while replying, Bro. Avishai, and "Nah" meant "Yeah". So, pray give the subject matter a little bit more thought, and do not leave all the digging to your hardworking brothers!

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Answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-JW" discussion boards.

We owe it to those enmeshed in Destructive Cults (WT or other) to help them out in any which way ~~we can ^HBUT~~AND loose. For the word "problems" above, read "issues" if it helps.

Older Sister Plmkrzy, while I am sure many echo your sentiments (and I sympathize) you have either lost me - or the plot - on this call.

I am reaching my posting limit so I hope others will take this up.

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Focus
(Anti-Spiritual Pimping Class)

Edited by - Focus on 14 December 2002 23:1:6

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Would GETTING LAID MORE OFTEN help NUTTERS ?

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question.

would getting laid* more often help nutters/fanatics/extremists get over their problems?.

answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-jw" discussion boards.. this is a most serious question given a certain heart attitude, and point-of-view, that has been brought to my recent attention through my extensive spy monitering nutworks.. the objective is, naturally enough, to ably assist any allegedly afflicted ones, by providing them with hints as to how to attain what may be wanting in their lives.. please be constructive and upbuilding.

Focus

Question
Would GETTING LAID* MORE OFTEN help NUTTERS/Fanatics/Extremists get over their problems?

Answers please, which for the sake of relevance should be restricted to references to past conduct on "ex/anti-JW" discussion boards.

This is a most serious question given a certain heart attitude, and point-of-view, that has been brought to my recent attention through my extensive spy monitering nutworks.

The objective is, naturally enough, to ably assist any allegedly afflicted ones, by providing them with hints as to how to attain what may be wanting in their lives.

Please be constructive and upbuilding. Proper decorum to be maintained, thanks. NO TROLLS WANTED IN THIS THREAD, EXCEPT BY INVITATION. Especially not anything that pretends to be Kent, but isn't. The intention is to provide Christian fellowship and aid to those so clearly found wanting. To be in a Cult is truly a terrible thing.

* This means having consensual sexual intercourse, in case anyone otherwise lost their rag over the term.

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Focus
(Loosen up, Chill out and Fluff it with the best of them? Class)

Edited by - Focus on 15 December 2002 0:35:16

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1 for all, and all for 1

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just for fun, imagine if all of us here on this forum were in the same congregation.

i could just imagine the poor overseer's face.. "brother farkel, would you say the opening prayer"?

edited by - jh on 12 december 2002 20:26:33.

Focus

JH:

Your picture=reply is at C:/Documents and Settings/Administrator/My Documents/My Pictures/me.jpg

Only people connecting from your machine will see it, as the browsers of others can't connect to your C:/ drive this way. At present, you are the only person seeing this page correctly (unless, perchance, your .jpg looked like a "picture not found" indicator).

To be visible to people not on your machine, it needs to FIRST be uploaded to a picture site so it has a web address. I think many here favor http://www.strike9.com (too insecure for me). Go there and doubtless you will find instructions.

And since you have some opinions on the matter, why not potter down to http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=41878&site=3 and see what's for ...?

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Focus
(HTH Class)