much thanks to maximus for revealing what many of us.
have long suspected - that 80% or so of witness kids.
leave the "truth".. this is a very valuable point!
Unfortunately I agree somewhat with hills' point. The WTB&TS has built a billion Dollar Corporation on those 20 - 30% returnees.
As long as the WTB&TS doesn't burn through their investment returns too quickly, the Corp could probably carry on quite nicely even after getting rid of a lot of the 'dead wood' Jehovah's Witnesses who aren't big consumers of WTB&TS distribution literature.
Flip
well, here it is, after almost 20 years 12 of those serving in position of responsibility it comes down to my spiritual execution(jw style).
allow me to explain.
for those who you who still remember me from h20 under the name truthexodus i came to post my experience as an elder of local congregation in nyc area.
Exodus, the WTB&TS are masters at fooling individuals into fooling them selves. You're simply the victim of your own twenty-year fantasy of making the WTB&TS out to be more than what they have always been, by allowing yourself to believe their claims.
You’ve been fired as an unpaid employee of the WTB&TS marketing scheme, but more importantly the information you possess is more dangerous to the WTB&TS than your usefulness as a motivator for others to become sources of revenue for the WTB&TS.
The disfellowshiping process is never for your judicial benefit. It’s designed to test the loyalty of those making up the JC and using the impact of your personal vilification to perpetuate the WTB&TS myth for as long as possible, until individually, they too will be discarded once the waning of their own fear for the Corporation has been detected.
The Corporation will be relieved that you leave immediately so quarantine of those susceptible to your influence can begin as soon as possible.
Flip
okay, this need not necessarily be controversial but i would like some honest opinions on the matter.
from time to time (in last sundays wt lesson for example) i read in the magazines or hear brothers say this in their talks.
(with some variation) arent we grateful that jehovah has waited this long before loosing armageddon on mankind?
No matter what happens it fits their theories.
Larc, I believe that's the underlying motto for WTB&TS claims of credibility,
'To be sure of hitting the target, shoot first and call whatever you hit the target.'
Flip
when i was separating from my wife and leaving the jws, i had some visions.
for some strange reason, i decided not to eat for a day, then when i found my thinking clearer and my emotions mellower, i fasted for another two days.
so after the third day, i was walking down our street and i saw the houses burning after me, i felt this was an affirmation that marriage was decay and destruction, or wasteage.
Anybody else had visions?
I dunno Philo, an alien ate my belly button lint once...and said it tasted like chicken.
Does that count?
Flip
my wife is becoming a witness and i've found very little that i can do to stop her!
i've tried to show her that the wt does not quote correctly, i've talked to her about past beliefs and i've tried to reason with her about the bible.
but she won't listen!.
Sorry to hear about your plight indi’, it’s real, and it’s frightening.
From my experience you might try looking at your wife’s situation from a slightly different perspective, although the view is not pretty and it can be discouraging.
There’s a good chance that your wife is looking at associating with Jehovah’s Witness for social reasons rather than doctrinal ones. Any amount of trying to explain doctrinal goof-ups by the WTB&TS as a way of persuading her intellect will fall on deaf ears.
More importantly she may have seen or found something in the communal ‘spirit’ within the congregational group that she has met which lights her fire, something she’s missing in her own life, including something you can’t offer socially.
Unfortunately this is a sign of ‘cult’ influence, which may be a difficult psychological problem for your wife to visualize let alone over come.
I just wanted to stress, you could be wasting your time trying to influence her decision with doctrinal issues. It’s the social magnetism, which is the most difficult to overcome because its influence transcends logic.
Check out some of the recognized books on cults, their recruiting techniques and what to expect, if not for your wife because it may be too late, for yourself as a source of preparation and confidence for the steps you may have to take one day on your own.
Flip
when even an environmentalist leftie admits that things are getting better, what hope is there for an early end to this system of things??.
http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=718860&cfid=2549102&cftoken=46453898
I'd appreciate it if you would actually read and answer these questions
New here, funkyd? Stick around for awhile, YK's agenda becomes predictable soon enough.
Flip
oh ... sitting there ... waiting for the interminable end of the dreary and elongated rambling of someone with no public speaking skills at all ... please end ... anything to break this monotony is welcome ... even singing about 'christian youths' would be more welcome ... music pllllllease ... ahah 'now brothers, we will move into the service meeting with song number 47' ... and out blares ... guns'n'roses 'black leather' .... what cd would you like to sneak in there huh ?
Van Morrison, "Kingdom Hall"
Flip
i was wondering other peoples views on organized religion since they left the organization ?.
me personally i think all religions started off with one mans interpatation of the bible and i'm not going there again.
Actually, I rate on a scale of ten, religious organization’s character based on the ratio between fair and useful charities or programs they sponsor and how much money, man/womanpower and influence they have at their disposal.
With zero being the absolute lowest on the scale, the WTB&TS serves as the benchmark rather than the Seventh Day Adventists “Branch Davidians”, or “Heavens Gate” cult and followers of “Jim Jones” which didn't make the cut because these groups are considered complete idiots when it came to accumulating wealth.
Flip
alejandro n. mayorkas .
united states attorney .
central district of california .
because he was a Jehovah's Witness who was active in charitable causes.
...active in charitable causes?
Flip
i have been searching the net for some excellent sites on the masons.
this past weekend we went down to nc for a wedding and my wife and i broke the news to our nonjw family that we were no longer involved with jw.
i could not believe the open arm welcome my uncle and aunt were almost in tears- they told us we have seen you come home each yr from the main office in ny and then you got married and you would come home and we wanted to say something about the jw but you seemed to be so well respected by the local jw - whenever we would tell folks that our newphew was up in ny- the jw would get all excited- they told us they thought it was so sad for i only made $90 a month.
but this Mason stuff I have very little knowledge on-
JT, in retrospect you also had very little knowledge about Jehovah’s Witnesses. It makes no sense making the same mistake of omission twice.
The question is, can you still be an effective and useful human being to your family and friends without being a Mason.
Flip
