Posts by lrkr

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More Misc Ramblings About Gilead

by AllTimeJeff in

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honestly, i can't remember if i told some of this already, so if i repeat myself, please allow me this.

i am practicing for old age..... it is now 6 years since i got the "long form" application for gilead, with over 120 questions to answer.

5 years since i got my notice that we were selected to attend the 119th class of gilead from april-september 2005.. prior to this, i really wanted to be a co. i won't belabor the point about my ex jw wife wanting to go overseas, but suffice to say, her goal won out over my goal.

lrkr

Don't apologize- the word "duped" says it all. It doesn't have any reflection on your personality or inner strengh or anything else. Your on a board where we all know that.

Did you ever experience the feeling where you were encouraging someone about how great Gilead is and how it is such a great goal to have- and you realized that you were lying and that it is really pretty miserable. I experienced that several times as a Bethelite. Telling some kid- "Yeah come to Bethel you'll have so much fun- it is so great!" and meanwhile thinking- yeah- if you consider poverty and lonliness fun!! The org has a way of majorly mind-f'ing you.

I cant really identify with the foreign country stuff- but your stories about morning worship- so true!

Also- did you notice the incredible level of "Stepford wives" shallowness among most bethelites?? I visited some time after I left and was shocked about how separated from reality the whole place is.

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What's the difference between "Watch Tower" of PA and "Watchtower" NY?

by paul from cleveland in

what is the reason for being incorporated in two states and why is the pa corp. two words (watch tower) and the ny corp. one word (watchtower)?

thanks.

lrkr

My understanding was that the NY corporation was originally a way for Russell to make sure his wife (who was getting divorced from him) could not get any of the assets in the corporation (that they had built together.) The modern explanation is as AT Jeff states above- but in the book "The Four Presidents" it seems to insinuate that the move was actually just a move to hide assets.

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Apostate Brainstorming Session

by AllTimeJeff in

i have been meaning to bring this up for a long time.. sometimes, i think we (former jw's) who are very rightly concerned about all the lies of the governing body have some great ideas about how to expose jehovah's witnesses.. some of us have very passionate and distinct ideas.

not a few of us have websites with our own personalities evident.. i don't wish this to get personal.

even if i disagree with some presentations or rhetoric of some, i know that it is sincere.

lrkr

Personally, the free minds website and Ray Franz books were the most powerful items I came across. I think everyone will be touched in a different way and so there is a need for every possible type of publicity. I think there can never be enough websites, discussion groups, books, articles, comments on newpaper pages about witnesses, blogs, facebook postings, etc. In marketing we say you have to touch someone 7 times to make your point. So the more stuff that is out there- the better.

Obviously, you have to be very careful not to trigger the defense mechanisms of JWs- so common sense, facts and non-adversarial methods are usually more effective. It is also helpful if people come across apostate information when they are not looking for it- which is why I say commenting on news media websites when they have an article about JWs is a great idea. JWs circulate links to these articles all the time.

PS- ATJ- we know people in common- PM me sometime and I'll elaborate.

10 page book reports

by lrkr in

just a memory.

when i was growing up- i was in the school band- played the trumpet.

our band marched in 2 parades a year- thanksgiving day and st. patricks day.

lrkr

Just a memory. When I was growing up- I was in the school band- played the trumpet. Our band marched in 2 parades a year- Thanksgiving day and St. Patricks day. The rule was that any kid who didn't march had to write a 10 page book report instead. So guess what I did??

Every spring and every fall I spent a few days in the library and did a 10 page book report. No marching in pagan holiday parades for this good little JW boy.

No wonder I quit band in the 7th grade!!

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Why do Ex-JWs start celebrating pagan Christmas?

by DubR in

hiya guys and gals.

im not trying to be self-righteous but i want to understand the thought process of someone who knows the origins of christmas, but starts celebrating it (putting up christmas tree, exchanging wrapped gifts; repeating merry christmas to everyone they see in the month of december)??

it seems very silly to me (imo) after knowing how and why christmas was created (to cater to pagans sun worship and convert to christianity)!!

lrkr

and Happy Festivus

for the rest of us.

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Letting Go of God on SHOWTIME this week

by tinker in

if you have showtime channels everybody should watch this program, letting go of god.

raised roman catholic, comic julia sweeney chronicles her conversion to atheism.. it will be on today at 5:30, again thur at 5:00pm.

the show is insightful but also entertaining.

lrkr

I stumbled on this show last week. Really great! Wife was irritated by the outright athiesm at the end- but that's because she's still a believer (not a JW- but a "theist")- told me I just liked watching material that confirms my beliefs.

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Has any other GB member achieved a university degree aside from Lloyd Barry?

by DNCall in

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friends

i can't think of one.

anyone .

.

lrkr

How about "Judge" Rutherford. I'm guessing he had a college degree.

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Has any other GB member achieved a university degree aside from Lloyd Barry?

by DNCall in

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friends

i can't think of one.

anyone .

.

lrkr

What was Barry's degree in?? Japanese?

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Write letters to citizens of Warwick New York exposing the Watchtower org.

by koolaid-man in

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friends

a recent newspaper article in the warwick new york newspaper uncovers the plans for the watchtower society to move out of brooklyn new york and set up their world headquarters in warwick.

http://www.strausnews.com/articles/2009/11/25/warwick_advertiser/news/2.txt the citizens of warwick and the surrounding communities should be exposed to what the watchtower society really is, a dangerous and destructive cult!

note in the newspapers link comments made at the end of the article from concerned readers warning the community to really think twice before permitting the watchtower org.

lrkr

Campus is an architectural term. Dont get caught up in fighting about that. Just like some homes have "cathedral ceilings" even those owned by JWs.

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Write letters to citizens of Warwick New York exposing the Watchtower org.

by koolaid-man in

jw
friends

a recent newspaper article in the warwick new york newspaper uncovers the plans for the watchtower society to move out of brooklyn new york and set up their world headquarters in warwick.

http://www.strausnews.com/articles/2009/11/25/warwick_advertiser/news/2.txt the citizens of warwick and the surrounding communities should be exposed to what the watchtower society really is, a dangerous and destructive cult!

note in the newspapers link comments made at the end of the article from concerned readers warning the community to really think twice before permitting the watchtower org.

lrkr

Please post lots of comments on the newspaper's webpage. The link to the page is circulating among active witnesses around the states. The right comment or link to this site might spark their curiosity!