Posts by AlphaOmega

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Sincere?..Bible-Believers-Can Your Beliefs Be Supported Without The Bible?

by nvrgnbk in

jw
friends

does your real-life experience and what you observe in nature lead you to the same conclusions that are presented as fact in the bible?

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or do you believe because of the power of suggestion?.

AlphaOmega

AlphaOmega:
I just find it "hard" to even want to let go of the Bible, when that is the very thing that has got me to my open mindedness.
There is an wise old Buddhist saying: One uses a boat to get to the other side of the river, then it is abandoned that we may go on our way. (or something like that...and I'm not selling Buddhism here). Who/what is this "me" who has "open mindedness"? What we want to find out is do you exist as is believed? Who/what are you, really? What is real?
You can look and see (depending on where you are in your journey)
What is seeing? Turn 180 from the Bible you hold in your hand. What is the authentic and genuine reality that is seeing these words right now? Do you see what I'm getting at? Bibles, words, thoughts, teachings, beliefs and all other objects only distract from a valid inner investigation. But don't believe me, see it clearly first hand.
You are at a very critical time as you see that there is a propensity to not let go. This is a good sign. See more. See what is not you. See that all the thoughts ever believed about "self" are not that which sees all the thoughts....and gently let go of them. New stuff and older stuff will arise to lay claim on you, gently see it for what it is (not you), and let go of it.
I have found it is a journey of subtraction. We truly already are the purity and wholeness we seek; it is all the erroneous shit that blinds us. See. Clearly see what is false, and what remains is True. It's You. That's all. It's very simple. Don't need Bibles and books to add to you. Don't need religion or gurus to give you something. Don't need to travel anywhere. Just see. Quietly and gently see. It is your sincerity and earnestness which will fuel this journey to where you already are.

Sorry to quote your entire post, but it's gets a bit complicated here. It's difficult to know who is replying to what

Sometimes I feel so "in touch" with the universe around me that I am certain that if I took that leap off the cliff, I would gently melt into the ground below - as it is me - I am it - we are one.

Othertimes, I would be a mess of strawberry jam and bones at the bottom of the cliff !

Re "what is real", I said something similar on a thread the other day also started by NVRGNBK

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/136593/1.ashx

I said...

Without any indoctrination (Biblical, Religious or SOCIAL), I would be more flexible as to what WAS real. Without having the belief in magic "educated" out of me, and without social constructs telling me what was real and what typical cause and effects are, I would probably conclude that :
Nothing was real BUT
Everything is as real as the experience of experiencing it

I guess that what you are saying is "Be still and know that I am God" (from Psalm 46:10)

but meaning "Be still and know that : I am God" with " I " being me ??

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Sincere?..Bible-Believers-Can Your Beliefs Be Supported Without The Bible?

by nvrgnbk in

jw
friends

does your real-life experience and what you observe in nature lead you to the same conclusions that are presented as fact in the bible?

.

or do you believe because of the power of suggestion?.

AlphaOmega

Great commentary JT and AO
No point me putting my twopennorth in as I'd have been more or less saying the same as AO. Perhaps you are right James, maybe the Bible might be something else which clouds the 'whisper', there may come a time on my journey when I can let that go, much as I did with *religion*, but for now, I see there is truth within the pages which help me on this particular stage of my journey.
I have metaphorically jumped of the cliff - yes, let go of absolutely everything, experienced total, indescribable blackness with my entire being - I cannot explain how or why my fall was broken by a 'branch' (To me, God. To you, whatever) on the way down, but I was left with a completely different perspective on life. I don't believe I'll land at the bottom off the cliff until I leave this plane of existence and when I make that last short jump, I will neither land with a thud or end up in several pieces!
peace

Amazing - I could have said that myself !

My "awakening" came a month before my "darkness". Then God (however you perceive him) sort of revealed himself as working in my life during the darkness - and as he did, patches of the darkness became the clearest parts of my life allowing me to "see through and beyond" them into another world.

... that world was not a world of churches, clerical clothing and liturgical teachings - it was the world of the truth which is buried deep beneath those things - a spiritual x-ray vision if you will.

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Get yer 2007 ASSembly invitation here

by cultswatter in

enjoyhttp://www.mediafire.com/?8rgm1ewmy2o

AlphaOmega

Thanks

The truth is simple isn't it?

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Sincere?..Bible-Believers-Can Your Beliefs Be Supported Without The Bible?

by nvrgnbk in

jw
friends

does your real-life experience and what you observe in nature lead you to the same conclusions that are presented as fact in the bible?

.

or do you believe because of the power of suggestion?.

AlphaOmega

Thanks James.

I appreciate what you are saying and "where you are taking me".

I just find it "hard" to even want to let go of the Bible, when that is the very thing that has got me to my open mindedness.

Sounds like a comfort blanket when I put it like that in black and white - but all the same, it runs deeper than that.

When I open the Bible, I "see" it in 3D with strands liking THROUGH the pages to other pages AND to the physical world (or at least what we call "physical"). I can only liken it to how Neo sees the Matrix. You can look and see (depending on where you are in your journey)

An old redundant book - full of fairy tales
An important historical document
Another of the world's "Holy Books" that people "believe in"
A book of fables and parables - each with a message for the reader today
A launchpad, a room with an infinite number of doors

For me it is something very simple object (an old fashioned bound book) that acts as the launchpad to something very indescribable, as I learn about the mysteries and truth inside and how they relate to the world(s) around me, I need it less and less (as I carry the mesage with me).

Yep, I'm sounding like a nutter now!

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Manchester convention UK what dates

by aniron in

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need to check .

what are the dates are for the manchester uk convention .

i have 6th - 8th july is this right .

AlphaOmega

2007 "FOLLOW THE CHRIST!" DISTRICT CONVENTION LOCATIONS
JUNE 8-10
GUERNSEY, C.I., Beau Sejour Leisure Centre, St. Peter Port
JUNE 15-17
BOURNEMOUTH, Bournemouth Athletic Football Club, Dean Court Ground
NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE, Newcastle Arena, Arena Way
NOTTINGHAM, Nottingham Ice Rink, Lower Parliament Street
JUNE 22-24
PLYMOUTH, Plymouth Argyle Football Club, Home Park
STOKE, Britannia Stadium, Stanley Matthews Way
JUNE 29–JULY 1
GILLINGHAM, Priestfield Stadium, Redfern Avenue
LEEDS, Leeds United Football Club, Elland Road
JULY 6-8
MANCHESTER, Manchester Arena, Hunts Bank
JULY 13-15
CARDIFF, Millennium Stadium, West Gate Street
PERTH, St. Johnstone Football Club, McDiarmid Park, Crieff Road
JULY 20-22
BRIGHTON, The Brighton Centre, Kings Road
NORWICH, Norwich City Football Club, Carrow Road
JULY 27-29
COVENTRY, Ricoh Arena, Phoenix Way
TWICKENHAM, Rugby Football Union, Whitton Road

Posted them all, in case anyone is interested

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"Follow The Christ" Convention videos

by AlphaOmega in

found these at youtube.. http://www.youtube.com/user/hizbrowneyez.

hope it hasn't been posted before.. so put a copy of watchtower on your seat, pop off to the kitchen and make a flask of coffee.

then come back to your securely reserved seat and pretend that you are there.. ao.

AlphaOmega

Found these at YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/user/Hizbrowneyez

Hope it hasn't been posted before.

So put a copy of Watchtower on your seat, pop off to the kitchen and make a flask of coffee. Then come back to your securely reserved seat and pretend that you are there.

AO

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Sincere?..Bible-Believers-Can Your Beliefs Be Supported Without The Bible?

by nvrgnbk in

jw
friends

does your real-life experience and what you observe in nature lead you to the same conclusions that are presented as fact in the bible?

.

or do you believe because of the power of suggestion?.

AlphaOmega

JamesThomas said...

99.9% of the time, the Bible and all the religious interpritation of it, is a divisive bag over our head that blinds us to our genuine identity and that which unites us one and all. Once in a while someone like you, AlphaOmega, sees through the dense fog of words and dogma. But the wisdom to see is found were? Within you, and not in the pages of the Bible. So, I suggest now throwing your Bible away, and be still of all you believe "self" and universe to be, and clearly see what remains.

I accept what you say and I like your style.

For me, I won't discregard the Bible - as I now look at it through "new eyes". I see the symbolism and metaphor on every page. Underneath the human mess and distortion (the fog), I see the glowing essence - the divine spark - the message.

If I used it as a crutch then maybe I should think about tearing myself away from it, but I do believe it was inspired by God (however you perceive him) for the purpose of freeing mankind. It still works for me, along with many other "scriptures" both modern and old which reveal him and the truth to us.

I agree, that all the bits about "working out your own salvation" seem to have been left out of the canon of scripture. But then that fits with the age-old concept of Religion being used to control the masses. Come to us - we have all the answers - outside of us there is no salvation.

Just like the NWT has attempted to remove the deity of Christ from it's pages - leaving only little "clues"; so too have "little clues" been left in the accepted canon. The Gospel of Thomas parallels are there (some of them)...

There is no use saying, 'Look! Here it is' or 'Look! There it is.' God's kingdom is here with you."

[Luke 17:21 CEV]

This God made the world and everything in it. He is Lord of heaven and earth, and he doesn't live in temples built by human hands.

[Acts 17:24 CEV]

God also reveals himself and his message through other means, other texts, converations with people we meet, songs we hear and the world around us. As the word "Bible" means "Library" - I add all those other means to its shelves

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WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28.....

by A-Team in

nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .

28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!

29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?

AlphaOmega

Thanks for that Joseph. I understand the point.

Also to Death to the Pixies, thanks for your post...

I know about as much about Biblical Greek as the New World Translation "Commitee" by that I mean that I can figure out my way around by using a phrase book - in much the same was as an ignorant tourist in a foreign land !

I will check out the reference to Satan - that would be a gem to have up my sleeve.

Sometimes here I forget that I am not only posting to those of a JW mindset (or now liberated ex-JWs) and usually post with as though "debating" with the usual JW dogma.

My point was that if the JW argument about "Ho Theos" were correct, then it falls to pieces in the face of John 20:28 (and also that Satan quote).

Thanks all

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WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28.....

by A-Team in

nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .

28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!

29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?

AlphaOmega

Mobile now so formatting doesn't work sorry .......Joseph said.......... Yes Jesus is my God, King, Saviour and such but not the Supreme Being, the Father, Yahweh as He is know in scripture to which He guides us to be re-united as well..... ......... .......... Do you mean that Jesus is God, not the Father.... AND not THE deity ? ...... ................... Sorry might not have taken all your post "in"... stupid PDA formatting. AO

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WTS hasn't corrected mistakes in NWT on John 20:28.....

by A-Team in

nwt scriptures: john 20:28-29 .

28 in answer thomas said to him: my lord and my god!

29 jesus said to him: because you have seen me have you believed?

AlphaOmega

Gopher...

What did Ted Jaracz say when the Devil suddenly appeared in his room?
"Oh my GOD!!"

Genius !

The other thing about John 20:28 that they overlook is that the Greek is the same "Ho Theos" that they say only applies to Jehovah. (Check out the Kingdom Interlinear Translation and the appendix of the Big Brown NWT. No way around it.

http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/kit.html

If this is an exclamation of surprise, why didn't Jesus rebuke Thomas for blasphemy ?