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  1975 statements

  by A Believer in

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  from jw org.

  “six thousand years of human existence”.

  in 1969 the watchtower magazine in czech began publishing a series of articles based on the book life everlasting—in freedom of the sons of god.

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  Hey BELIEVER- Screw your 1975 WT Society justification crap . I just had an older JW parent die who had been told since the 1950's that she would NOT die in this system of things. Guess what ? She did not live forever in a paradise earth , she won't grow younger, she won't be healthy with no sickness and pain. Her sickness and pain brought about her death. And now many of us are sad she is gone. Stop making excuses for a criminal organization bent on giving people false hopes and illusions in order to control their lives and use up their money. Do research and free your mind from WT lies and indoctrination
  
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  J.W. Elders Are Knowingly Complicit

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for anyone who denies that the wtbts teaches jehovah's witnesses & potential converts lies and perversions of scriptures via their literature, here is a prime example:

  w88 2/15 p. 9 further corrective counsel - "but because of human imperfection, at times serious disputes will occur.

  jesus also provides guidelines for handling them.

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  WT Society has ALWAYS gone beyond " the things written " in the book they claim to follow- the Bible. When I used to be in the Witnesses - I even saw elders go beyond what even the WT Society printed as instructions on how to counsel JW's within the congregation. I could count hundreds of times I witnessed personally elders giving their own personal opinions as counsel to rank & file JW's and it caused these JW's MUCH grief. Because the counsel was idiotic !

  And here's where the hypocrisy comes in - if elders gave out faulty counsel or wrong counsel to JW's - the WT Society would make excuses for these elders saying " they're just imperfect men " and instruct rank & file JW's not to " speak injuriously of these " glorious ones " (elders ) " - yet on the other side of the coin if a rank & file JW doesn't follow the WT Society's guidelines or " disobeys " they get jumped on and are considered " weak " in the faith. But what about the stupid elder that didn't follow proper procedures ? They are not even counseled. This is one of the main reasons I left this JW organization- there are different rules for those in power than the normal rank & file JW . I left cold turkey and never went back when I was treated in an unjust manner
  
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  Is it morally wrong to put Watchtower behind?

  by Darkknight757 in

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  2. experiences

  with our latest and final run in with the elders, the wife and i had a very long talk about what's next in our life.

  do we try to help others see the light as it were concerning watchtower or do we just let it go and move on with our life?

  we have made it perfectly clear that we will never go back to watchtower and we are finally happy.

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  DARK KNIGHT- You and your wife deserve happiness and indeed it's NOT wrong to move on from the JW cult- in fact it Is the thing to do to save your sanity and free yourself and your wife. You will have freedom of mind by thinking for yourself outside of the WT mindset and your life will become sane and peaceful again I promise. Don't give away your power to the elders. They have no right or no justification to intrude into your life. They only have as much power as WE give them. Do not give the elders any power or control over you and your wife's life- then the elders will eventually stop calling. Ignore their calls, don't answer them. If you answer the phone and it's them- tell them you've said all you're going to say and hang up on them if you must if they won't stop. It's what I did and they stopped bothering me in 2003 . Take care, we are here as a support to you friend
  
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  "Jehovah's Witnesses" : A religion - or a denomination of a religion?

  by The Searcher in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "a christian denomination is a generic term for a distinct religious body identified by traits such as a common name, structure, leadership and doctrine.

  individual bodies, however, may use alternative terms to describe themselves, such as church or fellowship.

  " (wikipedia) .

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  Jehovah's Witnesses / WT Society are NOT really a " religion, " and NOT really " Christian " - they are a dangerous mind control cult specializing in control and financial extortion of it's members while disguised and masquerading as a " religion "
  
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  Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

  not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

  at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

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  Tuesday night's show was phenomenal. Absolutely mind blowing ! Leah & Mike interviewed David Miscaviges father- Ron Miscavige and it was some really crazy shit. David Miscavige actually had his people stalking and tailing his dad for a year and a half after his dad escaped the cult compound. And yes- he and his wife actually had to ESCAPE the compound by putting pedal to the metal on the car accelerator as they were never allowed to go anywhere. Locks on all gates, barbwire - they just finally bolted for freedom. Then one time when Ron Miscavige was being followed by his son's people he had to bend over clutching his shirt pocket to get his cell phone- the Scientologists following him reported back to David Miscavige they thought his dad was having a heart attack and should they move in on him ? David Miscavige said, " No, just let him be, don't do anything . " Very disgusting and of course David Miscavige has cut off his dad and his wife as have other Scientology Miscavige family members.

  Also interviewed were a couple former Scientology higher ups who were victims of David Miscaviges beatings and physical abuse- absolutely riveting - my wife and I sat there crying for these people and the abuse they went through losing their whole families to shunning after escaping the cult- we know how they feel- many of us have experienced these same things in the Witnesses. Leah Remini and Mike Rinder are doing a MAJOR service to the world community and the United States by getting this information out on the Arts & Entertainment network. These are stories that NEED to continue to be heard and seen in order to get the public to take their heads out of their ass and start seeing the dangers of mind control cults like Scientology and Jehovah's Witnesses. Like Leah Remini states, " Get your children and loved ones out of this thing ! " My sentiments entirely. I truly hope this series on Scientology opens doors. Take care, Peace out, mr. Flipper
  
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  I feel really, really sorry for those born into the Jehovah's Witness religion

  by jambon1 in

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  some facts that make the difference between you and me:.

  1 - as a person raised by non jw family, my parents have never loved me based on conditions set out by a group of old men who they don't even know.

  how does it feel to know that you are in the unique situation where your parents brought you into the world and said 'i'll show love to you.

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  JAMBON- Great thread. One of the best I've seen here in the last 6 months or so ! I relate to EVERYTHING you stated as my parents got into the JW cult 8 years before I was born as the youngest of their 4 children. I didn't have a snowball's chance in hell of breaking away from it until I was an adult. And even then it took awhile as I of course married another young JW woman who I had 3 children with. It wasn't until my kids were teenagers that I finally broke away from the shackles of bondage to the WT Society. It took courage on my 18 year old sons part to break free and courage on my part as a 44 year old raised JW to leave. Because many of us have suffered the shunning repercussions and ostracism from our JW families. I give a virtual computer hug to all of you ex-JW's on this board who have suffered injustices like me . We are survivors, we are strong. Keep the REAL faith my friends- trust yourself, trust your instincts. Thanks Jambon for this thread that is very real and personal for many of us. It's good to bring awareness about it to those who haven't experienced the shunning. Take care, merry x-mas
  
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  Anyone else watching the Leah Remini series "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath" on A&E?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my wife and i started to watch this last night and have covered only 2 episodes so far but it is really interesting.. there are so many similarities between scientology and wt.

  not in beliefs of course but in their shunning, of their version of apostates etc.. it was amusing for me to see my active jw wife watch and get all indignant.

  at one point a statement was made that a religion "shouldn't separate families" and she muttered to herself "absolutely not".. i am kind of hoping that jws will watch and see what is being carried on by a high control cult and eventually recognize it in their own lives.

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  Anyone see the experiences and Leah's show last night ? Very interesting
  
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  The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief

  by sir82 in

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  2. friends

  recently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.

  it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.

  he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.

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  SIR 82 asked, " So they're either investing or spending it - if not real estate , then what? "

  Most undoubtedly a sizeable amount is going to pay off OUT OF COURT child abuse settlements with gag orders being put on the child abuse victims and families so as to keep many of these child abuse settlements quiet. WT leaders don't want hundreds of Candace Conti type publicity type child abuse cases popping up on social media - Internet OR T.V.

  The longer WT leaders can milk a half ass " respectable " image - especially in America where media is everything, i.e. tweets, text messaging, Internet false news etc. - WT leaders HAVE to spend these exorbitant amounts of money out behind the scenes to keep themselves in the ballgame financially and do whatever is necessary to not lose their financial " interests " .

  If you don't believe me then pay attention to what Leah Remini said the church of Scientology is doing to try and debunk what her and Mike Rinder are exposing about the Scientology cult on mainstream media and T.V. right now. Scientology is spending millions of $$$$ attempting to discredit the ugly truths about their unjust and lying practices being exposed by Remini and Rinder. These huge religious corporates will stop at nothing to try and prevent bad press in the media. I truly believe that is where a nice chunk of this WT takeover money is going. To attorneys to make out of court child abuse settlements. JW's won't hear about it, nor will we if it's done in silence with gag orders imposed behind closed doors.

  As for the rest of the millions WT is making - I'm sure WT leaders have budgeted some of that money to go to offshore accounts to keep the organization afloat and guarantee WT leaders their financial stability. It's Bethel longtime workers being laid off who will suffer financial fallout- not WT leaders or their financial warlords. Way I see it
  
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  The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief

  by sir82 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.

  it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.

  he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.

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  " We're going to work with what we have "

  " Oh, we'll occasionally build a new kingdom hall, but we don't need many of those. "
  

  Translation : " We're going to work with what we have because it makes us more money consolidating all of you JW's into more crowded congregations thereby enabling us WT leaders to sell off the unused kingdom halls for a profit, er, excuse me " Kingdom Interests" - so it furthers " Jehovah's name " . "

  " Also- we'll occasionally build a new kingdom hall, but it won't be necessary as many brothers and sisters show such FAITH in the faithful and discreet slaves direction by willingly traveling 30 miles or more to partake of Jehovah's , er, excuse me WT Society's " bountiful spiritual FOOD " !

  If you haven't hit your gag reflex button inside of you yet after reading this- you know that you're still under WT cult mind control
  
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  Another "pull the football away just before you can kick it" comment made by Circuit Assembly's special guest, Thomas Chicky

  by sir82 in

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  i started a thread on this guy's comments about building kingdom halls here.. the guy also said this (again, not a word for word quote, but the gist of his comments):.

  "the primary hope of salvation is the resurrection.

  jehovah does not promise anyone that he will survive armageddon.

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  Oh yes- Also Rutherford's talk should have been titled, " Millions Now Living will all Die. " At least THAT would have been honest