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  Convicted Child Rapist Proselytizing. Is the Community Aware? Is the Community Safe?

  by freemindfade in

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  wow, this is awesome.

  this really shows the jw passiveness towards child sex abusers.

  there needs to be more of this exposing this!.

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  This is a great you tube. It DOES need to be spread far and wide. Send it to all local news media outlets. See what happens. As John Lee Hooker once sang in a song and you can apply it to the WT Society , " Serves me ( WT leaders ) right to suffer " . This criminal organization and it's supported pedophiles deserve everything coming to them. Thanks for posting Freemindfade . Good catch
  
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  Unlocking Phobia's in JW's - Steve Hassan's " Freedom of Mind " book

  by flipper in

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  my wife and i finally finished steve hassan's latest book called " freedom of mind " so i wanted to devote one more thread to it in discussing how to recognize phobia's in witnesses or cult members and some methods hassan mentions to assist cult members.. on pg.

  146 hassan states, " a cult phobia is a man-made mental illness that is an integral part of destructive influence.

  a phobia is a persistent, irrational fear.

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  DRWHO - Thanks for bumping this thread up ! Great information about phobias indeed.

  JW_ROGUE- I was raised as a JW myself and the fears instilled and put into me were great as well. I was kind of a rebel so I was going to listen to my rock music anyway- but the fear of having to live with an elder father who always judged me for my music or hair length was really a drag. After being out of the JW's for 13 years now- I've virtually eliminated most of my phobia's and fears. It hasn't been easy, it's hard work and it's always an ongoing process but I feel much more free NOW than I did 13 years ago when I exited the JW's. I clink my glass to your glass for freedom of mind. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
  
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  Shunned by family

  by Ruth in

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  2. beliefs

  my fiancé is an ex-jehovah’s witness.

  when he was 18 years old, his 17 year old brother was killed in an accident.

  his parents having previously lost an infant daughter were understandably distraught and were therefore highly susceptible to an organisation which seemed to be able to supply definitive answers where more mainstream religion seemed to fail them..

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  flipper

  Dear Ruth, in dealing with the JWs there will be no real logic, common sense or consistency. And very little real "morality" or human kindness.

  If it suits their purposes they will use their own rules and "scriptures". Otherwise you can count on inside politics, grudges, gossip and resentments, and fear to motivate their behavior. They will throw their family under the bus so they can cheat death and get the "paradise."

  I've learned this from being married to Flipper for 10 years and seeing what the JWs have put him through.

  Mrs. Flipper
  
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  Keep the meeting going! (even if somebody's dying)

  by TimeBandit in

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  2. friends

  this is a true story.

  it's about a sister named henriette venema.

  she was a very loyal jw.

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  flipper

  Hey TIME BANDIT- My deepest condolences to you on the loss of your dear friend back in 2004. This WT organization is SO heartless- it's leaders should be brought up on charges of inhumane crimes against mankind.

  I had a very similar experience like yours. I was 24 years old and was on the stage at a Circuit assembly sitting getting ready like the other " regular pioneers " getting ready to go up to the mike and give my part. An older sister in her mid 80's went right up before me and gave her experience . As she sat down next to me she slumped back in her seat and slouched closing her eyes and putting her head on my shoulder ! She had a massive heart attack right there on the stage in front of 2,000 people in the audience. I quickly motioned to another " brother " my age sitting a few seats from me to help me carry her off the stage ( no easy task as she was about 5 ' 8 inches and 160 to 170 pounds ) and we layed her down back behind the stage on her coat as the other young brother tried to give her mouth to mouth . A JW registered nurse finally after 5 minutes rushed back behind the stage curtain and tried to get her heart going - but it was too late she was brain dead by the time her heart got resuscitated - too much loss of oxygen. In a week or so the non-JW family took her off life support and she passed away.

  I ask myself the same question you ask yourself- WHY didn't I see through the veneer of the WT organization when that happened ? The elder who was giving the talk just kept everybody up on stage and we all still had to do our " parts " . I felt horrible for years that this " elder " didn't stop the talk then and there and say, " It's almost lunch time, let's just close the meeting with a song and prayer. " THAT would have been the appropriate thing to do. But, oh no, the " show " must go on. They did mention later as they broke for lunch that Sister Older one was taken to the hospital- but nothing else was said.

  My theory on why JW's are always so calloused about people dying at meetings is because they are SO mind controlled to think that the WT information is SO much more important than even human life because they are taught " oh well, that person will be back in the resurrection " so they look at it as no big loss. Death is an " unreality " to many JW's because they think that they'll be " resurrected " - but in reality it's illusion. And then it causes JW's to be really insensitive and outright dismissive to natural human emotions of sadness and mourning due to the indoctrination of the WT Society. They don't mourn as normal people in the real world do because their brain neurotransmitters have been twisted and turned off to empathy, caring, and compassion. All due to the indoctrination. Very sad. They have no ability to feel TRUE empathy for themselves or others when someone close dies. Because they are told death is only temporary- not permanent - which in my opinion is a lie.

  Time Bandit- I'm with you buddy, once again sorry for the loss of your friend, and the loss of my friend too. Take care, peace & love, Mr. Flipper
  
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  Who was the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses? JW Org states it was not Russell

  by ToesUp in

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  2. beliefs

  found this article in the about page on jw org.

  i was a born in and was always taught charles taze russell was the founder.

  guess i was wrong!

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  " While Russell took the lead in the Bible education work at that time and was the first editor of the Watchtower, he was NOT the founder of a new religion ".

  Bullshit. Todays GB and WT leaders are trying to re-write JW organization history to newer JW members so they won't have to explain Russell's crazy teachings like " Miracle Wheat " or the " world coming to an end in 1914 " . It's just like what happened in the book 1984 written by George Orwell - the leaders in power in that book destroyed any of the past beliefs or teachings by burning up the written rules in the incinerator and re-wrote new rules for people to follow and denied they ever taught differently. THAT is what's happening here- today. WT Society is re-writing their history in order to deceive newer JW's into thinking they never believed other teachings . Really disgusting and deceitful
  
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  Port St. Lucie, FL Elder facing charges of sexual battery on child, lewd and lascivious behavior

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.tcpalm.com/news/crime/st-lucie-county/man-27-faces-charges-of-six-counts-sexual-battery-on-child-37eef916-9fe8-7596-e053-0100007f3f9d-387317751.html.

  https://jail.stluciesheriff.com/inmateprofile.php?inmate_id=241566.

  biggs, george calvin dob: 11-26-1978.

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  Another slimy, perverted JW molester who slipped through the cracks no doubt because other elders dropped the ball on not reporting him to the police if they knew he molested before. How many times have we heard THAT story ? WT Society- A criminal organization protecting criminals. Happens all the time. Hundreds of times. It's getting old. Time for the federal government to step in. That's what needs to happen. Disgusting freak of a human being. If you can call him human
  
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  Your thoughts on the Libertarian party

  by James Mixon in

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  2. friends

  i really like what governors w.weld and g. johnson bring to the table.. not familiar with the libertarian party and will do some investigation,.

  but any thoughts on this party..

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  flipper

  Not sure I trust the Libertarians any more than the Republicans.
  

  When any of them say they want smaller government, they usually mean less government for the haves and more for the have-nots.

  Am a member of the Green party since 1990. I've come to think of the Democrats as Republicans in sheep's clothing. But a Democrat in the White House would have to at least throw a bone to the constituents ( I hope) and cause less grief to the unwashed masses.

  Mrs. Flipper
  
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  Recent mistakes of the Governing Body contributing to the decline of JWs

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  they have made so many strategical mistakes it's hard to keep track.

  some changes within the last decade or so that are contributing to declining numbers of jws:.

  1. elimination of book study groups, the most informal, enjoyable and sociable of the jw meetings, contributed to loss of sense of community among jws.. 2. policy of consolidating kingdom halls.

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  SLIMBOYFAT - Great thread ! I agree with most everything folks have posted here. Great points everybody is bringing up.

  Another thing I feel that's contributing to the JW organization's downfall is the sheer arrogance of the Governing Body feeling that the laws of the land that everybody else has to obey - don't apply to them. By stubbornly refusing to hand over documentation concerning their child abuse policies, stubbornly refusing to hand over the database file on JW pedophiles to the courts in San Diego, CA. or elsewhere - these GB members by transference and extension are making it even harder on rank & file JW's because a typical JW will be confronted on the street or door to door about the crazy decisions WT leaders make. Also what's exposed on the internet.

  Which is another mark or evidence of the GB's arrogance- they don't care or give a rat's ass about the " flock " or rank & file JW's welfare - just the bottom line - the corporate survival financially of the WT society. Just another huge corporation throwing members and employees under the bus. The disrespect has become so impersonal that even the most staunch Witness is getting offended these days. I hope more JW's get out before they waste their entire lives in this criminal organization
  
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  When did the governing body go from 12 to 7 members?

  by Tameria2001 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been out and away from that cult since 2001. back then there were 12 members of the governing body, and now i'm learning that number has come down to 7. when did this change take place, and what was their reason for dropping the number?.

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  " When Did the Governing Body go from 12 to 7 Members ? "

  When they all started dying off. Couldn't find any " overlapping " governing body members to replace them
  
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  There is a new letter to elders about Child Abuse

  by ttdtt in

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  2. scandals

  anyone see that there is a long letter on how to handle child abuse?.

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  flipper

  Thanks for posting- very interesting.

  I still see a lot of - multiple times " contact the legal department", " contact the legal department ". I mean- these days WT leaders are so paranoid about elders dropping the ball and screwing up and costing the WT Society $$$$ millions - they won't let the elders take a shit without calling WT legal. Which means they're running scared- and well they should be with multiple child abuse lawsuits against them around the world.

  WT Society is so concerned about elders screwing up that they have to get the Circuit Overseer involved on every allegation of child abuse judicially now with HIM making the call on which elders lead the JC . I don't know if this is different or not- perhaps someone else knows ?

  But as someone mentioned earlier there is STILL no definitive instructions here making it mandatory for the elders to go to the police or authorities regarding child abuse. They allow victims and victims families to report- but elders are STILL being told to report to " WT legal " for child abuse crimes. Bizarre. WT leaders are STILL more concerned about the financial and legal fallout than the actual molesters being punished by the law authorities.

  The statement, " If the wrongdoer is repentant and is reproved, the reproof should be announced to the congregation . This announcement will serve as a PROTECTION for the congregation. " Uh-huh. Like all the parents would know the person is reproved for child abuse- right ? Not. People won't know unless elders talk to them personally- and we know that ain't gonna happen. So much of this letter is same shit- different day