Posts by flipper

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It is absolutely galling to me that my wife submits herself to this madness

by jambon1 in

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i've tried to get over this, i honestly have.

since i stopped my kids going to meetings, things have gotten a little better.. but knowing the content of the convention programme that she was subjected to on friday, it amazes me and greatly annoys me that she goes back for more, today.

for her to sit there watching those crazy, fear mongering bunker videos.

flipper

JAMBON- As Scratchme said, your wife is under the influence of cult mind control. Anything the WT Society tells these JW's they'll eat it up thinking " God " allegedly is inspiring every utterance out of the GB's mouth. Another condition many JW's are under mentally is called the " Stockholm Syndrome " whereby most every JW will make excuses for the WT Society's crimes - even if it involves supporting WT Societies faulty child abuse policies and refusing to admit that the WT Society has serious ethical and moral deficiencies. So then rank & file JW's become unwitting accomplices with WT Society actions. It's something most JW's don't even realize is happening to them.

It's definitely a mental condition caused by years of indoctrination sitting at those meetings which affects what's inside the brain neurotransmitters which triggers JW's to stay inside the organization. Not until one removes themselves from hearing the WT indoctrination - can new information pathways be established inside those brain neurotransmitters. It's not just a psychological condition, it's a physiological condition.

I feel for you my friend. It's a tough thing to deal with when it's your mate. And that's putting it mildly. It's something that runs a lot deeper than most people realize. Even some ex-JW's don't totally understand the power and danger of cult mind control . One reason why after years of exiting the Witness organization, some will go back after being out 20 or 30 years. They are still under control of the WT Society through guilt and fear tactics used by WT leaders.

I hope the best for you, and we are always here as a support to you, but your wife will have to see this and hopefully awaken in her own time. Each person has to see it for themselves in time. I wish you the best, hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Rumor: Discouraging news from GB at upcoming CA?

by bohm in

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this is on the reddit frontpage and sounds super weird.

can it be confirmed in any way by anyone here?.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/4u72dk/what_kind_of_announcement_could_cause_jws_to/.

flipper

Love the replies. Really funny stuff !

Seriously though, I feel that if there are any " disappointing " changes it may concern the selling off , liquidating, and consolidating congregations a lot more than the WT Society initially planned or thought. Lots of JW's right now are complaining about being forced to drive miles out of their way due to their hall being sold and these people feel like they're being put out to pasture- especially ex-Bethelites being sent home.

I don't think the WT Society would apologize about ANYTHING. They never have . Monkeys would sooner come flying out of my ass before these GB leaders would apologize for anything they've done.

Yeah, I think it may be the selling off of even more kingdom halls, land, etc. - and the WT leaders will just tell the rank & file, " you must have faith that Jah's faithful & discreet slave is handling it properly and show that faith brothers and sisters by your generous donations " ! Yeah, that sounds about par for the course to settle down restless JW's

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Racial Insensitivity

by Coded Logic in

"blue" lives matter!

- sheriff david clarke at the rnc.

this bs really makes my blood boil.

flipper

Wowee. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.

This thread reminds me of people who say "I'm not a racist, BUT....."

Mrs. Flipper

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

flipper

I feel that exposing the WT Society's faulty and criminal policies about child abuse to the public and current JW's is of the utmost importance - especially in conjunction with the WT Society downsizing, selling off kingdom halls, booting people out of worldwide Bethels, and stopping all worldwide construction of kingdom halls, etc. This in and of itself should tell anybody that something is " rotten in Denmark "

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Do you think any animals will ever reach human intelligence?

by EndofMysteries in

if all life was truly random, then what happened that allowed humans to it's current intelligent state, do you think non humans could and will reach that in the future?

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flipper

I was going to say exactly what Simon said . " Some animals ARE already more intelligent than humans. " I mean if we need proof of that- look at the two clowns mainly running for president in the U.S

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Elders harassing me

by raven in

hi everyone, it has been a while since i've last updated!

(refer to my previous posts for the full story) here is a quick re-cap: 2 months ago my mother found out that i am living with my boyfriend, she told me i was discovered by an "anonymous" tipper who turned me in for "living in sin".. first of all, that is nearly impossible, the congregation i was in is 100's of miles away from where i currently live.. no one would have ever known i was living with my boyfriend unless i told them, which i never did, i cut off all communication with that congregation in part of my attempted fade which was blown into pieces and discovered.. anyways, my mom tells me if i don't go to the elders and confess like a good little sheep, then she is obligated to tell them.. ( don't see why, i don't even live under her roof ) well i never went to them because why should i?

so they met with my mother and she told them i live with my boyfriend... let me remind you, this was two months ago.. i was told i was going to be df'd and that was that.

flipper

RAVEN- I agree with what Sir 82 said in, " What you should do depends on what you want ". Exactly.

You mentioned that your JW mom is already shunning you. So ask yourself if you are willing to accept that outcome. Only you know how close you are to your mom- or if losing her in your life is something you could handle- or not. It's your decision.

You could deny, deny, deny that you've done anything wrong but if you told your mom you are living with your boyfriend, the elders are going to keep hounding you until they get an answer. They are really good at NOT recognizing our personal boundaries. As Sir 82 mentioned, they are " trained that way ".

So as some others have mentioned here like Wolfman and others- if you want them to back off, threaten to get a " cease and desist " order from the police against them or if the harassing phone calls don't stop that you WILL get a restraining order against these local elders and tell them they will be getting a letter from your attorney !

As Sir 82 said, they may DF you in what's called " absentia " and two elders will either report to you that they've decided to DF you and that you have 7 days to appeal the decision before it's announced. I know this because I went through this same thing back in 2007 ( over 4 years after I stopped attending ) and I too had moved 80 miles from where I used to attend !

The difference in my situation from yours is that I never admitted to living with my fiancé before I married her - so they had no proof against me. But they still tried to DF me and I appealed the DFing with a threatening lawsuit letter AND I won my appeal ! They did NOT DF me. They called WT legal and WT legal told them to " leave this alone " and they overturned the disfellowshipping.

So you have to get tough with them. I had to go to an appeal JC meeting with 6 elders and stood my ground claiming innocence. That is key. You have to keep claiming you are innocent. Which may be difficult if you already " confessed " to your JW mom.

So it's up to you how much you want to hassle with these guys. If your relationship is important with your mom, you can try to appeal, but there are NO guarantees- especially if you've already admitted to it. Or- You could just ignore meeting with them and threaten legal action from the cops and your attorney- the elders MAY back off, or they may NOT back off. Depends on how tough the elder body is or if they're a bunch of pussies. They may hand over the decision to WT legal and then you'll wait another 2 months or so for your answer ! Believe me- it IS that crazy. Been there, done this.

So you have to ask yourself " how much do I want to emotionally handle "? The water gets deep, it gets rough, it's no walk in the park. The ONLY reason I fought my case was I still wanted to not be DFed so I could talk to my older JW mom, AND still talk to my JW adult daughters to try in time to reach them and get them out of the cult. If I was DFed - none of them would listen to me.

So I've tried to portray all the options here- good and bad, but bottom line it's your decision, everyone's circumstance is different. Just presenting options and eventualities here. I wish you the best of luck ! We are always here as a support system for you, O.K. ? Take care, and hang in there, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Hi everyone, just signed up here

by samj in

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hi, i just signed up.

i'm 35, i've been baptized 20 years, married 15 years.

it seems like the wife and i are going in opposite directions spiritually.

flipper

SAMJ- Very nice to have you here- and welcome to freedom of mind and expression ! You are among friends. Hang in there, take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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exJW Billboard is up.

by cappytan in

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waiting on higher resolution photos from wifibandit.. but here is the (redacted) notification from the company.

apparently they take photos with a potato.. (the billboard directs folks to http://jwawake.com ).

flipper

The text is definitely too small.

It's like some of the "lost pet" signs put on poles or trees in neighborhoods - They write a whole bunch of stuff so small you'd have to pull your car over to read it.

Doesn't look like it will be effective. I hope I'm wrong.

Mrs. Flipper

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Contempt of court, case in San Diego county really disgusts me!

by Crazyguy in

this case has to be talked about by ever awake jw every apostate everyone.

this case because they refuse to hand over documents the court already knows they have because they handed them over before but heavily redacted, is the icing on the cake!

this case shows thier evil plain and simple.

flipper

COGNAC- Thanks for providing the documents from the San Diego, California courts. Now that this has gone on to the FEDERAL court of Appeals - I truly believe the feds are going to hand over WT Society's ass to them in a hand basket . You don't mess with the federal government. This is going to be interesting. Better hide in your bunkers GB- you just might be heading to prison for being criminals yourself. Not for being " persecuted " for doing the " right " thing- but imprisoned for doing the illegal thing

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New Here ... Just woke up

by Sevan in

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hey all, .

this is my first post.

i haven't been out in service or to a meeting in over a month.. i realize now that i've been having serious questions for years and many articles and talks have greatly disturbed me over the years.

flipper

SEVAN- Welcome to the board and welcome to freedom of mind and expression ! Now your life is just really getting started- it's a new beginning - not an end. I was born-in and raised a JW like your husband but finally exited at age 44 back in 2003. Some of my nieces and nephews and my son are out- but my older siblings and older parents are still very much JW's. Except my older mom- she accepts my decisions to leave and we are close.

You certainly have a challenge ahead of you. You have the right plan and idea in just showing your stepchildren that you love them in spite of exiting the Witnesses and doing the same in your relationship with your husband. If I may make a suggestion to you : The books " Crisis of conscience " & " In Search for Christian Freedom "are great books by Ray Franz- they really confirmed what I was suspecting in the WT organization. However the books that assisted me the most we're 3 books by Steve Hassan a cult exit counselor and psychologist titled : " Combatting Cult Mind Control " , " Releasing the Bonds - Empowering People to Think for Themselves " & " Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults, and Beliefs ".

These books really helped me to understand the techniques and HOW the WT Society and other high control organizations like Scientology, Mormon's, JW's and other religions are able to control our minds through needless guilt and needless fear. Once a person understands that it's the leaders of these organizations that are manipulative , controlling, and coercive - we stop blaming ourselves for having been duped by them. It's NOT our fault. It's the fault of dishonest WT leaders who are using people's lives up trying to intentionally divide families in order to control them to keep attending and contributing to the WT illusions. And they do this through guilt and fear tactics. Steve Hassan's website is : www.freedomofmind.com. I really encourage you to read these books if you get a chance. It truly helped me personally to see HOW I was deceived like thousands of others through dishonest tactics. And these books have plenty of advice on how to talk to our still in JW relatives and friends also . Very good ideas in there.

So welcome my friend. We are here as a support to you and offer our deepest unconditional friendship. Many of us have been and are where you are at in exiting and some of us are being shunned for our decisions. But we are happier. remember you are not alone, we are here for you. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper