Posts by flipper

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What was your ''the last straw that broke the camels back'' moment

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

there is a limit to how much straw (long yellow grass) a camel can carry on its back.

if you keep putting more straw on top, it will finally break the camel's back.

when you are at the last straw you are finally angry and will not take any more.. my moment (to stop attending all watchtower meetings) was after the harsh treatment from the elders and fellow congregation members of my second cousin who was disfellowhipped as a teenager.

flipper

RULES & REGULATIONS- Great thread, thanks for starting it . I had a similar situation as yourself. I saw huge injustices committed by elders not only against myself - but against numerous others in the congregations and what angered me was that the elders got away with it with no punishment or answering for their injustices. But if a rank & file JW publisher did similar things- they'd be either reproved, counseled, or DFed for the same offenses. The things you stated about how DFed ones are treated at memorials and elsewhere disgusted me also.

So it was the straw that broke the camel's back for me when elders tried giving me their personal opinions as counsel- instead of the Bible or even going beyond or against what the WT Society counseled to say when counseling a person. I was taught for years from birth that elders allegedly had God's " holy spirit " - but when I saw HOW they counseled and the counsel that was given to me as lunacy and their own opinions I told myself , " there is no way in hell these guys have anything resembling " holy spirit" or God's backing ! " . That's when I left cold turkey walking out of a kingdom hall before a meeting started back in 2003 - and I never went back nor ever looked back. Best decision I ever made. Freedom of mind and freedom of movement is priceless

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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

THE WONDEROFYOU_ Hey thanks for trying ! I take it back, something comes on and says these videos will not post in my country the United States. Must be some licensing thing in England perhaps ? Don't know. Thanks for trying anyway

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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

THE WONDEROFYOU- Hey ! Thanks so much ! I don't know WHY I could not get any of the you tubes to post ! Thanks for providing the " Free as a Bird " you tube . I really appreciate it ! Take care, peace out, Mr. Flipper

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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

Just my luck- I try to post the video " Free as a Bird " from the Beatles - type everything in correctly and it directs me to a Justin Bieber you tube. As Bugs Bunny said once- "Some days I should have just stood in bed ". LOL.

If anybody has the ability to post the song and video of " Free as a Bird " by the Beatles - I'd appreciate it. I tried posting about 10 different you tubes of it and it kept saying the video wasn't available. I don't know if Yoko revoked the rights of people to post this - or what ? Must be some legal thing. Let me know if you find out. Thanks, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

Here's another song written by Lennon that I enjoyed in 1995 and the other Beatles put their voices and instruments to after he died, the you tube is really interesting as well : Hope the video shows, if not just enjoy the song :

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?=free+as+a+bird+video&view=detail&mid=5ADBA8F35F53800AA1745ADBA8F35F53800AA174&FORM=VIRE5

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35 Years Ago Today - John Lennon - Peace Advocate was Murdered

by flipper in

jw
friends

in this age of violence with the san bernardino and france massacres sometimes it's good to reflect on the wise words of the peace advocates among us who proposed a better solution in bringing a more civil society to our universe.

john lennon, martin luther king jr. - people who stood up for equal rights and world peace and denounced violence and war - no matter how that violence occurs.

please feel free to comment on stories of john lennon on this thread and feel free to post any you tubes of his music that you may have enjoyed through the years.

flipper

ORPHAN CROW- Thanks for that information on mark David Chapman. I do remember awhile back reading that he did make a trip two months earlier to New York to shoot Lennon. What a freak and scumbag. Those kinds of people HAVE to be kept locked away to protect the public AND the rest of Lennon's family.

SAINTBERTHOLDT- Thanks for the you tube, nice version of Real Love. It really is a sad thing in life when people who try to put forth peace on our planet get enemies who want to take them out. Still- Peace is the better option to promote than war indeed

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How did you feel when you found out "the truth about the truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

so when you first found out specific facts about the organisation, how did you feel??.

the un membership.

the way 1914 was calculated from pyramid measurements.

flipper

James Mixon- That illustration you use about the crack addiction connection is one of the best illustrations I've seen here in awhile man ! You definitely get a " G " for good on your counsel slip bro ! LOL. Great comparison. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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Child Sexual Abuse and Jehovah’s Witnesses’ Rules – Part 1 of Gumshoe’s Royal Commission Series

by OrphanCrow in

child sexual abuse and jehovahs witnesses rules part 1 of gumshoes royal commission series.

this is a fairly lengthy article describing and examining the royal commission in australia.. the author ends the article with this:.

in general, we see, from watchtower australia, how depriving a person of fellowship was seen as a severe punishment.

flipper

This is a very interesting thread. Thanks for posting it Orphan Crow . WT Society has so much liability to it's abused children- the crimes go up to the heavens. This deserves a definite bump up to the top

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How did you feel when you found out "the truth about the truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

jw
friends

so when you first found out specific facts about the organisation, how did you feel??.

the un membership.

the way 1914 was calculated from pyramid measurements.

flipper

I felt very angry several years after I left the JW cult. I was mad when I left in 2003, but by 2006 and 2007 my anger intensified when I learned of the child abuse cases the WT Society was hiding from the public and then learned that WT leaders entire motives have been about pulling a scam or wool over JW's eyes and the public in order to profit financially.

I still get angry- but I don't let it consume my life. I channel my energies into music, even writing songs about my JW cult experience and try to assist others to move on in a positive way in life. I actually have a deep and abiding feeling of relief, curiously enough - that because of the whole thing being a scam I no longer live in fear or guilt due to the misinformation and false promises the WT Society tries to capture people with. It frees me to go live my life HOW I want without anything holding me back anymore. The big bad dream is not true. No such thing as " Armageddon " or " end of the world " - so I actually find that really freeing !

I have no feelings of " sadness " over there not being a " paradise " because years before I exited the Witnesses I feel that within myself I actually stopped believing in it- so putting two and two together after I actually got out - it all started making sense to me about the deception the WT Society was pulling over on people all these years. Cherish your freedom of mind people ! It's the unwitting " gift " that we possess that the WT Society was unable to take away from us ! It's priceless

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Two old ladies sell property and donate entire amount to WTS

by MaybeSo in

i am enraged..... two older sisters sold a property and gave the entire sales amount as donation to this printing corporation.

how much is this corporation going to take from these poor people??

these old ladies think they did a great and wonderful act towards wt as if it was given to god himself.

flipper

MAYBESO- Just out of sheer morbid curiosity- what kind of a ballpark monetary figure did they donate ? ( Don't have to be exact , just curious ) I figure if we know- we can be even MORE outraged ! LOL.

If these two " sisters " are going to give away all their money, and be stupid - let them take care of themselves instead of being a financial burden on others