Posts by flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

Pg. 5 responses thanks for your replies.

UMBERTOECHO- It is amazing isn't it how even victims of child abuse themselves who are JW's can excuse the criminality inside the JW organization with what's happened to them ? It's like the Stockholm Syndrome taking over and they excuse their captors for allowing them to be molested. Really strange. Very sad. Thanks for sharing that conversation.

LISA ROSE- Exactly. To appoint ANY child molester to be an elder is so irresponsible and criminal it's just insane. The WT Society's lack of ethics and morals is so criminal it goes without saying.

4THGEN- Very true what you say about the George Orwell quote. " The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it. " Very true. It's one reason that we " apostates " are hated by the WT leaders and Jehovah's Witnesses because we DO SPEAK the " truth about the alleged " truth "

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

JANUSFULCRUM- Thanks for your comment. I don't understand what " M. " means, but thanks.

4THGEN- I agree with you . It's what the WT Society DOES that shows their criminality not what they SAY. Talk is cheap as the expression goes- actions speak louder than words.

UNBERTOECHO- I feel your sadness for the children myself as well. How many more JW children will be abused until the WT leaders have to really answer for their crimes ? Peace out, MR. Flipper

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

flipper

Holy s***.

My first thought is: fisherman - snap the hell out of it already.

It's important to remember what strong forces denial and cognitive dissonance are and this guy is a great example to observe.

I was never a witness but have followed this board for 8 years because of the bizarre and mean spirited behavior of the witnesses in Flipper's family.

I have made so many great friends here and heard all their stories - here in writing and many in person or phone call.

Fisherman - it is something to see just how many similar stories there are from people who live far apart, don't know each other, and whose only thing in common is the jw religion.

This young guy's story doesn't surprise me at all. It's like the closer they get to the top of the organization the worse their behavior - like a pack of hyenas, I swear....

Life Is To Short is one of my closest friends. She is one of the most kind, generous and honest people I know. After what she has been through since birth at the hands of Jehovah's Witnesses in "good standing" it's amazing she has her wits about her and is a high functioning hard working person. And never lost her sense of humor to boot.

She was treated particularly bad for trying to care for and help older or distraught congregation members. It's as if the saying "no good deed goes unpunished" was originally made for the jws.

I spoke to a psychotherapist friend about that - he said people like that will hate you because they know they will never have as much heart as you.

I've seen people treat others that way here occasionally. It's a shame.

This thread really hits home. Thanks, cha ching for posting.

Mrs. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

UMBERTOECHO- I'm so sorry you had that creepy experience with that man in your congregation. Really strange. I hope you have recovered somewhat. I agree with you that normal Western Society treats child abuse in the real world as the crime that it is. Sadly- most religions, including Jehovah's Witnesses , treats child abuse like it's a sin and not a crime- minimizing the danger of it. I agree we HAVE to get the word out how dangerous it really is.

SOFIA LOSE- I agree. We NEED to keep this child abuse negligence of the WT Society out in public first and foremost. Very important

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

FINKELSTEIN- Yeah, I think it's a decoy the WT Society is trying to use portraying a monster as a child molester instead of a real human being. That way it's less incriminating towards individual members of Jehovah's Witnesses who actually ARE child molesters. Pretty tricky.

VIDIOT- Exactly WT Society makes their own version of reality. It's ridiculous

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You Tube Video Ex-Betheliite Ex-Walkill Worker Layed Off!

by cha ching in

i am not sure if this guy is really from bethel, or walkill, but if he is....this poor guy really tells it like it is from the heart.

he was surprised.. at the 'oh so fast, pack your bags, get your stuff outta here' layoff !.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk1xh1egjcu

flipper

CLEANIDEAS- Wow, just holy fuc%ing wow. Being born and raised in this cult exiting 12 years ago at age 44 - I thought I had seen it all, experienced it all- but I come on this thread and I'm STILL being shocked by the insensitive,, inhumane behavior of the WT Society and it's representatives. So you are seriously saying that you as a volunteer worker had a bad cold at Bethel and even though you didn't have 25 cents for the 2 cold pills they REFUSED to give it to you ? Jesus freaking Christ ! Why didn't the assholes just give you a quarter to pay for your pills ? Unfreaking believable !

This man's you tube sounds EXTREMELY credible, and what's more this story can be repeated thousands of times inside this mind numbing organization. I feel so sorry for this young man in the you tube and I hope he has a good support system to help him carry on in his life. I know for a fact that the main reason I left this organization was due to being treated unjustly, unfairly, and not being shown love. It's a criminal organization. It opened my eyes- I'm sure it's done the same for this young man. Hope he has a much more successful life in the future

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

VIDIOT_ Exactly, I agree. It shows just HOW screwed up WT leaders are that they'd appoint even former child molesters as elders at all. It's a truly criminal and messed up organization indeed

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

Was out of town as some of you know for a few days- wanted to respond to folks who posted on this thread. Thanks for your replies.

REBEL 8- Exactly. To make this child molester in the video appear as a " blob " or " monster " totally misdirects the direction on where child abuse REALLY comes from ! Not " blobs " or " monsters " but REAL human beings with ties and shirts on in the kingdom hall ! But maybe, just maybe THAT is what the WT leaders are trying to do here - not bring ANY attention about child abuse as coming from inside the congregation by using a fictitious monster instead of real humans. I think that is part of it by WT design. A decoy.

LISA ROSE- You make a very good point about JW's being in a state of denial regarding child abuse. They don't want to acknowledge that it might be happening from their own " friends " or family- so they choose to either ignore or dismiss minor children's accusations. It's really cowardly of them to do so I feel. Very much so. Support criminals instead of victims ? Incredibly weird.

OZGIRL- GB is definitely out of touch with reality. How can toddlers even DEVELOP a conscience like a teenager ? It's ridiculous how the WT Society is so out of touch with real child psychology. Good point about how the WT Society SHOULD make a video about reporting child abuse to police. Exactly. But with the WT leaders financial interests at stake- I doubt such a video would be made.

SOWHATNOW- Yeah, I mean a drama on child abuse would have to be done with respect for sure in addressing the subject. It doesn't have to be explicit, but just get the message across that this is what REAL humans do who are criminals not what fictitious BLOBS or fictitious MONSTERS do. Touching of course wouldn't have to be shown- but the inference of what's going on indicating the seriousness of the child abuse crime direction the scene would be heading to. And then have the actors in the drama report the abuse to police. This would have a much more powerful effect than blobs running around. In my opinion

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My introduction and confession

by elderINewton in

jw
friends

well another big bad elder here just wanting to say sorry.. i'm sorry that so many were treated like crap, and shown that god's love is not to be found around jehovah's witnesses.

i'm sorry that inadvertently i've likely taught many to judge and as such see that racism permeates every corner of the jw world, else why else would someone be of the world, or even inactive.

i'm sorry i sat in on a jc, and voted to df.

flipper

ELDERNEWTON- Welcome to the board. Nice to have you here. No apologies necessary. You were mind controlled by the WT Society like the rest of us. And it's not being " selfish " to get your wife and child out of the JW cult- it's being unselfish, caring, generous, and a good father to do so. Take care and enjoy your freedom of mind and broader thinking ability

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Shall I go to the meeting? Would you?

by KateWild in

hi guys,.

i might go to the meeting.

i stopped going in my heart properly in nov 2013, but i went to a couple of meetings to support a love one that was df'd and tried to teach them a little ttatt.. now another df'd loved one is coming to see me today and will likely encourage me to try and get ri'd, and i want to support her.

flipper

KATE- Of course it's totally your decision to make-none of us can make that decision for you- however since you asked - I truly believe that many ex-JW's , some on this board even- may underestimate the POWER of cult mind control. If a person decides to sit in the atmosphere of hearing the catch phrases, the WT doctrines, and mind manipulation information coming off the platform- THAT is what can happen- mind control, mind manipulation and possibly re-indoctrination. It's not just a mind control thing ; it's a physiological change that occurs inside a persons brain neurotransmitters when this information comes into our minds. Our nerve or neurotransmitters over many years of JW indoctrination made familiar or common pathways through our mind that became WAY too familiar ( one reason it's hard for JW's to look at ANY other viewpoints their brains are blazed or branded with this neurotransmitter thought process. )

After not attending meetings for 2 years and reading other non-JW information your mind has made NEW neurotransmitter pathways helping you to think critically and broaden your thought processes - if you go BACK and even unwittingly listen or hear that WT jargon coming over the platform it WILL seep into those old pathways into your brain ; even a small amount might affect the way your mind operates. I know this might sound corny to you- but I'm serious. There's been a lot of research by scientists and sociologists on this so caution is the word here. Do you really want to put your mind jumping through all these hoops ? And what kind of message does it send to your adult daughter ? That possibly mom can't make her mind up ? I don't know - I agree with the others that there are other means to assist DFed ones you care about than playing the WT game of going back to meetings sitting with them to assist them to come back. I don't think it's a good idea- but it's your life and your decision. Just being honest and letting you know the dangers. Take care, Peace out, Mr. Flipper