Posts by flipper

FREEMINDFADE- Hey my friend, sorry you're having to deal with this. It's the shits for sure. I want you to know that I'm always here for you if you want to talk. I mean that sincerely, not just an off handed remark. Been there, done that with a fanatic JW ex-wife I had for 19 years. And as you know there are lots of good folks on the board here who are dealing with the same situation you are - Kairos & On The Way Out - are a couple of my good buddy's who have still in JW wives. I suggest PMing some of these guys and getting their feedback and advice to see how they have been able to hold it together with their spouses up to this point.

That being said on the other side of the coin my friend it comes down to you internally. What are YOU able to deal with in a personal way looking at the possible long term solutions ? You have to be honest with yourself first - before you can be honest with your wife. How deeply are you two connected ? Is it ONLY the JW cult that keeps you together ? Or are there other interests and values in life that the two of you share in common outside the mindset of JW land ? That may determine to some extent how long your relationship will last with your wife. You know- there are no guarantees in this life - except death and taxes. The only thing we can do is put together all the information we have at our access and make intelligent, informed decisions that will do the greatest good for your life and her life. Are you and your wife in love enough to be able to OVERCOME the JW and WT intrusion into your free will and free thinking mind ? And the other variable is this : will your wife chill to some extent and ALLOW you to co-exist with her while still maintaining your free will ? Only YOU know the answers to some of these questions and only you can make that decision. Things may work well with your wife- it may not. As you stated you are prepared for the worst and I agree it's good to be ready just in case that happens.

Someone mentioned earlier having a social safety net to fall into if things turn south and go badly. I feel having good friends as a safety net is HUGE. You and I know some similar people who are close to us so avail yourself of those friendships. The ones who will give you UNCONDITIONAL support are the ones who are truly your friends. If things turn badly- don't be surprised if some of those " still in " JW friends turn their backs on you. Myself and others here have experienced that big time. But you have a lot of support here as well. Please avail yourself of that- people who care and who have been through the mill themselves.

Since you are an outgoing person my suggestion also is to try contacting ex-JW's in your area that you might befriend or get to know. Or even try getting a mini- apostafest going in your area to meet people who may support you. I wish you were out here at South Lake Tahoe to meet our 48 who had a kick ass time at Tahoe this weekend. It would have really been a big help to you and support. But hang in there kiddo, you have our love and understanding , any time you want to call me, please do, Peace out, your friend Flipper.

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Hi Everyone...

by Adewale in

hi there, my name is adewale!

internet marketer & online entrepreneur, a fervid and easy going blogger at 70mack.co .

i have passion specially concerning things that concern technology!

flipper

ADEWALE- Welcome to the board ! Nice to have you here. I don't personally have any need to buy anything right now- however - would love to hear your story of your former JW involvement or how you freed yourself from the JW cult . Tell us about yourself. Peace out bro. Mr. Flipper

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According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

by flipper in

considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

flipper

4THGEN- Like yourself I find it unfathomable that the WT Society would re-appoint these men who either have domestic violence backgrounds or who abused children. It indicates to me as you said that the WT Society is desperate to appoint ANYBODY who is a male to positions of oversight and control because not many reach out anymore. But it's no excuse. WT Society will be liable for many MORE child abuse cases if they keep appointing men to power positions who abused children. It's almost hard to believe how idiotic and arrogant the WT leaders choose to remain in spite of all the evidence against them. Thanks for sharing those experiences- very interesting

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

VIDIOT- Very true, misdirection and fabrication. Two things the WT Society is expert at.

NAOSCILLATOR- That's good that even your pioneer wife could see that instead of a fictitious monster- they should have shown an adult in a suit. Yeah it really frosts my balls that the WT Society makes it appear humorous with this monster or blob running around. Child abuse is about the furthest thing from being humorous that I can think of, A criminal action. It shows the stupidity of WT leaders to display it this way in the video

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

JUSTVISTING- Yeah, I think the video really needed to be specific in regards to explaining that child abuse comes usually from people that victims know and trust. It just kind of alludes to this fictitious monster running around- not real human beings. Pretty strange

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

PISTOFF- Yeah, it's like the WT leaders are making a " perfunctory " video about child abuse just to say they did something about it.

BAFH- No, they don't say anything in the video about perpetrators possibly being anybody you know like - elders, ministerial servants, or even parents themselves ! The video makes it seem like the threat would always come from the OUTSIDE of " God's " alleged organization. Pretty creepy.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT- You bring up some VERY important points. It usually IS the ministerial servant that everybody trusts and thinks is squeaky clean that ends up being the child molester. I mean- look at Don McClean one of America's FBI's most wanted list the horrific JW molester who is on the run. He was portrayed as squeaky clean, good with young ones taking them camping - then BAM ! All the child abuses he did came tumbling out of the closet. So JW parents are TAUGHT to be naïve and gullible- way too trusting inside the congregations. And as you stated the WT uses guilt to make these children give in like " don't make Jehovah's heart sad " and all that crap. How is a conscience of a 3 year old supposed to protect against an adult child molester who is manipulating a child ? WT leaders ARE insane.

OUBLIETTE- Thanks for the link to your thread ! Very helpful .

PROBLEMADDICT 2- I think the main problem a lot of people here and elsewhere have with this video is the guilt inducing parents telling the children to " use their conscience " . How in the hell are children supposed to " use their conscience " when they are being sexually assaulted even violently ? And I have a problem in general with the minimizing of the child abuse issue by putting some freaky unknown monster running around in it- as compared to using REAL humans with REAL criminal actions taking place. This video does more harm than good. It doesn't warn parents OR children that sexual abuse comes usually from people they know- not some stranger. So how is that supposed to help them put their guard up in the kingdom halls or congregations ?

BREAKFAST OF CHAMPIONS- My thoughts exactly. How in the hell is a kid supposed to use a conscience when they are being raped ? I mean, like you say conscience has nothing to do with it- criminal assault has EVERYTHING to do with it. Your point about someone needing to get this to the media I TOTALLY agree with. It needs to be brought out. Send a link to the video to the media someone !

FINKELSTEIN- The WT Society does cling to ancient rules that are archaic- but not useful in any way, shape, or form. And the " obedience " thing to the WT Society has totally taken the place of any obedience to " God " or a supreme alleged entity.

STRONG HAIKU- Good points. I think a lot of JW's go through cognizant dissonance trying to figure out why some JW's die in typhoons or get raped- yet they think other JW's get " protected " from Jehovah from these things. In time you would think that they could just see that it's all just random shit that happens . Random occurrences that occur with no explanations for except being terrible circumstances. If there is a God and this stuff happens he is either dead, asleep at the wheel- or he has never existed " God " is just a concept that man has made to help them deal or explain their own pain. That's what John Lennon said- and I tend to agree with him.

NAOSCILLATOR- I agree common sense and intuition are much better to use to ward off problems and crimes than guilt. Young people don't need to be made to feel guilty when they are fighting off a rape or fighting for their lives.

CADELLIN- My wife thinks that the WT Society is trying to make the victims feel guilty so that they won't sue the WT Society. Trying to intimidate victims by guilt to " fight " off or report child molesters. This blame the victim strategy the WT Society has will only backfire on them though. Any parent with half an acorn of sense should see this for what it is- intimidation through guilt.

WIFIBABDIT- Thanks for the links !

LISTENER- Thanks for re-printing Barb Moor's post from Cedars blog. That is EXACTLY on the money ! She nailed every important point regarding this farce of a cartoon on child abuse. The psychological damage that occurs to child abuse victims due to hiding child abuse within congregations is beyond damaging to them- it is criminal to allow it to happen. And THAT is what the leaders of this WT organization are: pure and simple CRIMINALS. With criminal intent to protect their financial holdings at the cost of thousands of child abuse victims lives within the JW organization. The GB should be locked up in prison and the key thrown away.

PUNKOFNICE- I agree with you that there HAVE been and possibly ARE child molesters among the GB and other high ranking WT officials. Otherwise they would just tell elders to go directly to the police with child abuse cases. We do know that Greenlees and Chitty were sent away from Bethel for sexual crimes and it was called being " sent on special assignment " and there was quite a bit of evidence that Ted Jaracz had molested children through the years as well. So I think your theory has a lot of merit indeed. Jaracz fought tooth and nail to not let the writing committee print the early 1990's articles against child abuse. He and then GB member Lloyd Barry had no love for each other- but Barry prevailed and got the articles printed in spite of Jaracz's aggression. I know of these things from reliable sources

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WT Society Makes Light of Child Abuse Crimes by Portraying them as Cartoons

by flipper in

i commented on this on another thread- but i believe this has enough importance to create a thread about this situation in and of itself.

at the current district convention as you know the wt society released a " sophie & caleb " video allegedly warning parents about the dangers of child abuse.

they don't really use the words " child abuse " in the video - but just say if " someone tries to touch you in a manner you aren't comfortable with " and portray it as a cartoon !

flipper

Thanks for all the replies ! Was working out of town last night so finally got back to respond. Very good replies , thanks. I like the idea of going to the media with this by the way .

FAST JEHU- Good point you make about making this molester in the video being somebody the child would know- not some fictitious Tasmanian Devil from Warner brothers. I mean what good does it do ? As you stated most children are molested from someone they thought they could trust- so the way the WT Society portrays it is SO unrealistic and useless in teaching children the reality of the dangers.

OUBLIETTE- Thanks for the link.

BREAKFAST of CHAMPIONS- You are very welcome.

FINKELSTEIN- What's interesting is the REAL world looks at child molestation as a grievous crime as you stated- but the WT leaders do NOT look at it as such. They make all kind of excuses for hiding it, covering it over- then act in a fake manner like they really PROTECT children- when the truth is- they don't.

LISTENER- I agree the blob in the cartoon is useless- does no good at all. Most children KNOW their molesters. And to make a child feel guilty by telling them to follow their conscience ? How in the hell can they do that when sex is forced on them by a molester ? it's insane reasoning.

JUSTVISTING- Your question, " Casting call - Need middle aged brother who can act like a pedophile. Where would they find someone like that in all of Bethel " ?

With a pedophile list of 23,000 JW's who are known sexual offenders- I think a good cast could be found of middle aged pedophiles in Bethel- no problem.

GOINGTHRUTHEMOTIONS- That's really good that you warn your children about child abuse. Good for you. Exactly. Go directly to the police if you hear of children being abused- screw going to the elders- that's no help whatsoever.

BRANDNEW- Exactly, I'm with Goingthruthemotions as well.

STRONG HAIKU- Good point you bring out about the WT Society doing " victim blaming " by telling the children to follow their conscience- but NO admonition for the parents ! It's appalling. How can a kid protect him or herself from a molester ? It's typical religious guilt that WT leaders try to put into children- it's disgusting. Also a good point- WHY doesn't the WT Society encourage JW parents to go report child abuse to the police IN THE VIDEO ? Too much embarrassing exposure for WT officials ? It's insane is what it is.

TECH 49- Good point. I think due to all of the bad media publicity and JW's finally WATCHING this on network television about WT child abuse it has JW's talking among themselves and the WT leaders were FORCED to add this to their assembly program. It's like they are trying to stop an avalanche before it happens- but message to the GB - It's too late. The avalanche is halfway down the mountain gaining momentum. It's what the GB deserves.

THE DOCTOR 10- You are right- the WT leaders are SO disconnected from reality it's not funny. But it's what they get for being so arrogant. A tidal wave of child abuse lawsuits.

ESSE- Yeah brother elder, ministerial servant , so many child molesters within the organization- it could be anybody there. Why it needs to be stopped and exposed.

Have to go eat some dinner, will be back later to address page 2 responses. Thanks again for your replies ! +Keep them coming ! Very good points you make ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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July Broadcast Denies That JW Children Die Rather Than Have Medical Care

by BluesBrother in

anthony morris 3rd delivered the broadcast this month and advised that lies are circulated that they let children die rather than have medical care .

he says this is so inaccurate as to be a boldfaced lie ...... further he says it is "up to the parents to determine what would be the best treatment for their children" .

now, does this mean that parents are really free to make a decision to accept blood for their minor child, if they so choose?

flipper

NEVER A JW- " They do lie from time to time " . " they do lie every now and then ".

Come on- be serious- the WT leaders lie CONSTANTLY - ALL THE TIME. There is no " paradise ", there is no " Armageddon ", there ARE JW children and adults who die due to the WT Society's no blood transfusion policy, WT Society DOES cover up child abuse and protects child molesters in spite of their claims that they protect children. I mean- what, if ANY part of this WT or JW organization is NOT all lies ? It's all bullshit

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Anthony Morris III: "...we cannot control everything that an individual might say..."

by cappytan in

i noticed that anthony morris iii just said on the broadcast: "while we cannot control everything that an individual might say, it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for this organization.".

that, in my opinion, is a direct response to the richard ashe "spiritual protection not physical protection" deposition.. here's a video putting the two statements side by side.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgevpuyn7gy.

flipper

Good thread. Thanks for posting. This whole Anthony Morris rant about child abuse is total damage control based on what has come out in news media against the WT organization regarding child abuse allegations. The PBS Newshour and ABC News Nightline news presentations this spring did indeed do some incredible damage to the WT Society or Anthony Morris wouldn't be addressing the problem for 10 minutes in his presentation.

So by backpedaling now claiming that since 1982 they had a " landmark " Awake magazine on the subject ( describing it as " landmark " is a bit dramatic and overkill ) he claims WT leaders have always been making it a " top priority " to protect children- which is a lie . Behind the scenes WT Society has been HIDING child abuse and have disfellowshipped victims of child abuse for bringing accusations against molesters within congregations ! He doesn't mention THAT on the JW.org show- does he ? It's called " information control " to save the WT Society's ass is what that is called. Disgusting. Spread the REAL word to any and all you know ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper